In terms of appeal, what does Golf have

midnightpulp

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that pool doesn't?

I'm with the poster who is angered by the discrepency in payouts to pro golfers vs. that of pro pool players, which can foster a skewed perspective that Gold is a much greater game than pool.

I like Golf, but I'm not an enthusiast, and I know many here are passionate about both Pool and Golf, so I'd like to ask what do you think Golf has that pool doesn't? There was a time when people would rather go get volunteer bypass surgery than watch Golf on TV. It was one of those sports more fun to play than watch. Now it has its own channel, good ratings, and has become a popular spectator sport, even before the arrival of Tiger.

Like I said in another thread, Pool used to mean something in this country. The Mosconi/Fats exhibition was the second highest rated sports program of the year. Great pool players were household names. There 20,000 payouts in the early 1900s, etc, etc.

I know all about the corporate atmosphere of Golf, which I think creates a certain kind of "wannabe" culture. Many times, I've seen golfers with the most expensive clubs, balls, clothing, who have a kind of affluent arrogance about them, but can't break 120 on their best day. For them, participating in Golf is a way to belong. It's not really about the game, but more about being apart of the Upper Class. This wannabe culture is a huge market and Golf has captured it. I found it amusing that last year's Masters was presented with limited commercials, which I believe was a result of these corporate big wigs sacrificing the advertising revenue so they can watch the tournament themselves without the annoyance of commercial after commercial. That's how important the game is to these types. I know it's a stretch, but kind of funny to consider. "Jones, I don't care about the lost adverstising dollars. Damn it, I want to see every minute of that tournament."

So what else? The beauty and uniqueness of the courses vs. the repetitive playing surface of a pool table? The drama of a Sunday finish? The affluent, elitist aura?
 
Golf Has, Stature, it has always been the ritch man's game.. Pool has prodominately, has been played by people less fortunate. Sponcers like the apeal that Golf has, because it reeks Money and power..


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Golf and NASCAR are the same for me on TV. I'll wait for the highlights because it's like watching paint dry.

Yes I'm biased :p
 
midnightpulp said:
that pool doesn't?

I'm with the poster who is angered by the discrepency in payouts to pro golfers vs. that of pro pool players, which can foster a skewed perspective that Gold is a much greater game than pool.

I like Golf, but I'm not an enthusiast, and I know many here are passionate about both Pool and Golf, so I'd like to ask what do you think Golf has that pool doesn't? There was a time when people would rather go get volunteer bypass surgery than watch Golf on TV. It was one of those sports more fun to play than watch. Now it has its own channel, good ratings, and has become a popular spectator sport, even before the arrival of Tiger.

Like I said in another thread, Pool used to mean something in this country. The Mosconi/Fats exhibition was the second highest rated sports program of the year. Great pool players were household names. There 20,000 payouts in the early 1900s, etc, etc.

I know all about the corporate atmosphere of Golf, which I think creates a certain kind of "wannabe" culture. Many times, I've seen golfers with the most expensive clubs, balls, clothing, who have a kind of affluent arrogance about them, but can't break 120 on their best day. For them, participating in Golf is a way to belong. It's not really about the game, but more about being apart of the Upper Class. This wannabe culture is a huge market and Golf has captured it. I found it amusing that last year's Masters was presented with limited commercials, which I believe was a result of these corporate big wigs sacrificing the advertising revenue so they can watch the tournament themselves without the annoyance of commercial after commercial. That's how important the game is to these types. I know it's a stretch, but kind of funny to consider. "Jones, I don't care about the lost adverstising dollars. Damn it, I want to see every minute of that tournament."

So what else? The beauty and uniqueness of the courses vs. the repetitive playing surface of a pool table? The drama of a Sunday finish? The affluent, elitist aura?
When parents are looking to sign their kids up for sports... mostly it's because they want their child doing something "active." Same with adult participation. You can argue that golf isn't that active either, but I think it has a lot to do with being outdoors and the training that is involved.

I also think that people who love to watch golf (either on TV or in person), do so because even the most amateur golfer appreciates every facet of the game. As it's been said so many times on here, the really amateur pool players ("bangers") just don't "get it." They don't appreciate the intricacies. Hell, SO many people think that they are great pool players just because they can pocket a few balls on a bar table at 3am. Even worse is the person who claims they "get better at pool after they get drunk.":eek:

Bottom line is that the masses associate pool with a smokey, indoor setting where everyone is drunk. And they don't appreciate the skill involved because they all think they can do it.
 
Tens of thousands of people can watch a tournament live. You don't have to be within 20 feet of the player to understand what he or she is doing.
 
Nascar, Yes, its getting that way for me too... Golf, Ive never liked golf, Never, Id Did Like the Movie, Tin Cup, and the one with Adam Saddler, and Caddy Shack, but thats about as close to a fan of the game as I will get..

I like Colledge Football, Basketball, At time's I even Like an occasional Hockey match, Not a fan Of soccer, But I like UFC and Boxing, and Ofcourse Billiards, this is the game (sport) I admire the most because no matter how much Physical ability you have, the mental aspects of billiards far exceed Physical ability.. When I first started playing I was so frustrated because I couldnt just make a big hit on my opponet to turn the game around... Nope, I had to deal with them on a higher order of thinking and strategy.. So Id compare Billiards to Chess, before Id compare it to Golf.. two totaly differnt worlds..

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renard said:
Golf and NASCAR are the same for me on TV. I'll wait for the highlights because it's like watching paint dry.

Yes I'm biased :p
 
lodini said:
When parents are looking to sign their kids up for sports... mostly it's because they want their child doing something "active." Same with adult participation. You can argue that golf isn't that active either, but I think it has a lot to do with being outdoors and the training that is involved.

I also think that people who love to watch golf (either on TV or in person), do so because even the most amateur golfer appreciates every facet of the game. As it's been said so many times on here, the really amateur pool players ("bangers") just don't "get it." They don't appreciate the intricacies. Hell, SO many people think that they are great pool players just because they can pocket a few balls on a bar table at 3am. Even worse is the person who claims they "get better at pool after they get drunk.":eek:

Bottom line is that the masses associate pool with a smokey, indoor setting where everyone is drunk. And they don't appreciate the skill involved because they all think they can do it.

You read my mind. I was just thinking that Golf is easier to understand on a fundamental level than pool. Not saying one game is more difficult to play, but I think pool at its highest level requires more thought than golf, especially when you get to 14.1 and one pocket.

The 25 Handicap golfer doesn't need to understand the advanced strategies, like draw, fade, what kind of shot to play in certain conditions, to appreciate the game. They just know a 140 yard shot hit from a buried lie in a fairway bunker to the green is a great shot. In pool, they won't see what's so difficult about perfectly applied draw drag coming off an extreme angle to kill the ball and keep it in line for the next shot. They'll just think it was hit slowly and they too can do it easily.

Since you're a sports marketer, have you seen the Bowling Doc, "The League of Ordinary Gentlemen?" Even though bowling seems to be growing, the PBA was facing a crisis similar to that of pool.

Also, what do you think needs to be done to revive interest in the game?
 
I used to hate golf.....Then one day I tryed it...Hated it because it was so frusterating....Then I tryed it a few more times...That was it I was hooked for life.There is NOT a better sport to play when you start understanding the game.There is not better day than going out for a round of golf.The awe of the golf course,fresh air,having a few beer.Venturing out to different beautiful courses.
I am so glad I took up the sport I once hated.That was 20 years ago,and still laugh when I hear people say golf is boring.For those I just say try it and you will full in love with it as well,I gaurantee it.
I don't know about many of you,but,I would much rather be out on a golf course than in a dark desolute pool room.No comparison.
 
Str8PoolPlayer said:
The Paychecks are WAY bigger ......

Because?

List 3 Reasons.

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Than ill list 5 more.

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midnightpulp said:
that pool doesn't?

I'm with the poster who is angered by the discrepency in payouts to pro golfers vs. that of pro pool players, which can foster a skewed perspective that Gold is a much greater game than pool.

I like Golf, but I'm not an enthusiast, and I know many here are passionate about both Pool and Golf, so I'd like to ask what do you think Golf has that pool doesn't? There was a time when people would rather go get volunteer bypass surgery than watch Golf on TV. It was one of those sports more fun to play than watch. Now it has its own channel, good ratings, and has become a popular spectator sport, even before the arrival of Tiger.

Like I said in another thread, Pool used to mean something in this country. The Mosconi/Fats exhibition was the second highest rated sports program of the year. Great pool players were household names. There 20,000 payouts in the early 1900s, etc, etc.

I know all about the corporate atmosphere of Golf, which I think creates a certain kind of "wannabe" culture. Many times, I've seen golfers with the most expensive clubs, balls, clothing, who have a kind of affluent arrogance about them, but can't break 120 on their best day. For them, participating in Golf is a way to belong. It's not really about the game, but more about being apart of the Upper Class. This wannabe culture is a huge market and Golf has captured it. I found it amusing that last year's Masters was presented with limited commercials, which I believe was a result of these corporate big wigs sacrificing the advertising revenue so they can watch the tournament themselves without the annoyance of commercial after commercial. That's how important the game is to these types. I know it's a stretch, but kind of funny to consider. "Jones, I don't care about the lost adverstising dollars. Damn it, I want to see every minute of that tournament."

So what else? The beauty and uniqueness of the courses vs. the repetitive playing surface of a pool table? The drama of a Sunday finish? The affluent, elitist aura?

A few things come to mind from my vantage point. Sure there are many others.

1. Respect...plain and simple....by the masses, golf is seen as a sport and not just an activity.

2. Organization....national and worldwide organizations that don't completely bump heads and have one common goal in mind....to promote the sport, support it, and grow it.

3. Professionals....a support structure that ensures that bona fide professionals are represented throughout the entire fabric of national and worldwide organizations promoting competitive golf. Think about it, there aren't nationally recognized schools that teach people how to run a pool business.

I love both, but the the divide between golf and pool could not be greater in my eyes, especially here in the US. Feel free to agree or blast away. Just calling it as I see it.
 
Its because its outdoors.. and I agree, Billiards for me is a WINTER activity when I cant get outside and enjoy nature..

I have played golf, fairly well, I might add, I like being able to "SPIN" the golf ball, but I can do that with a bowling ball too.. Same with tennis, I prefere Billiards because I can SPIN the balls, in a more pronounced and dramatic fashion.. this was my hook...

SPINDOKTOR


jimmy-leggs said:
I used to hate golf.....Then one day I tryed it...Hated it because it was so frusterating....Then I tryed it a few more times...That was it I was hooked for life.There is NOT a better sport to play when you start understanding the game.There is not better day than going out for a round of golf.The awe of the golf course,fresh air,having a few beer.Venturing out to different beautiful courses.
I am so glad I took up the sport I once hated.That was 20 years ago,and still laugh when I hear people say golf is boring.For those I just say try it and you will full in love with it as well,I gaurantee it.
I don't know about many of you,but,I would much rather be out on a golf course than in a dark desolute pool room.No comparison.
 
cueaddicts said:
A few things come to mind from my vantage point. Sure there are many others.

1. Respect...plain and simple....by the masses, golf is seen as a sport and not just an activity.

2. Organization....national and worldwide organizations that don't completely bump heads and have one common goal in mind....to promote the sport, support it, and grow it.

3. Professionals....a support structure that ensures that bona fide professionals are represented throughout the entire fabric of national and worldwide organizations promoting competitive golf. Think about it, there aren't nationally recognized schools that teach people how to run a pool business.

I love both, but the the divide between golf and pool could not be greater in my eyes, especially here in the US. Feel free to agree or blast away. Just calling it as I see it.

Good stuff.

Is also think the divide has a lot to do with the culture, if that's what you meant, which I why I think pool needs a different marketing strategy than trying to golf's little brother like it did with the PBTA.

Pool has an "urban cool" image and it should embrace that and market it. Maybe Lodini can chime in, but the greatest boon to the NBA is of course Jordan, but also its association with the hip-hop culture. The NBA is hip, modern, cool.

When pool enjoyed its two biggest upswings, they were each after The Hustler and TCOM, two films that portrayed pool's edgy, dangerous, side.

I think the Action Report has the right format. None of this tuxedo shirt, Upper Class air. For TV purposes, you would have to do races since those ahead sets can last hours. Or simply edit an ahead set, but show it over a few episodes and not condense it into a couple of hours.

Maybe the Action Report guys can chime in and I would like to ask if they have tried pitching the format to television. Maybe FSN or hell, even the A&E or the Travel Channel.
 
midnightpulp said:
that pool doesn't?

I'm with the poster who is angered by the discrepency in payouts to pro golfers vs. that of pro pool players, which can foster a skewed perspective that Gold is a much greater game than pool.

I like Golf, but I'm not an enthusiast, and I know many here are passionate about both Pool and Golf, so I'd like to ask what do you think Golf has that pool doesn't? There was a time when people would rather go get volunteer bypass surgery than watch Golf on TV. It was one of those sports more fun to play than watch. Now it has its own channel, good ratings, and has become a popular spectator sport, even before the arrival of Tiger.

Like I said in another thread, Pool used to mean something in this country. The Mosconi/Fats exhibition was the second highest rated sports program of the year. Great pool players were household names. There 20,000 payouts in the early 1900s, etc, etc.

I know all about the corporate atmosphere of Golf, which I think creates a certain kind of "wannabe" culture. Many times, I've seen golfers with the most expensive clubs, balls, clothing, who have a kind of affluent arrogance about them, but can't break 120 on their best day. For them, participating in Golf is a way to belong. It's not really about the game, but more about being apart of the Upper Class. This wannabe culture is a huge market and Golf has captured it. I found it amusing that last year's Masters was presented with limited commercials, which I believe was a result of these corporate big wigs sacrificing the advertising revenue so they can watch the tournament themselves without the annoyance of commercial after commercial. That's how important the game is to these types. I know it's a stretch, but kind of funny to consider. "Jones, I don't care about the lost adverstising dollars. Damn it, I want to see every minute of that tournament."

So what else? The beauty and uniqueness of the courses vs. the repetitive playing surface of a pool table? The drama of a Sunday finish? The affluent, elitist aura?
Midnite, You make some very intelligent observations. Golf at the pro level, creates huge interest (and viewership)especially on Sun., Back nine, in the majors. It is unrealistic to think that pool can ever approach golf
in the Nielson ratings,and golf is not doing all that well, (unless Tiger is
in the hunt.) But,that being said,Pool should be able to create a niche somewhere between bowling and tennis. We don't need a "Sugar Daddy"
As JohnnyT said , we need to get the top players to wake up and realize
what is their best option. Number One Priority should be to create what
golf, tennis, and bowling allready have in place, a professional UNIFIED
ORGANIZATION.
I am retired and will volunteer my time to help make this come about. It won't be easy, but it's not impossible.
 
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midnightpulp said:
Maybe Lodini can chime in...


Lodini will chime in, I promise... just trying to gather my thoughts so as to not sound like a crazy, jumbled mess:D

(Too many thoughts at once:eek: !) LOL...
 
Tens of thousands of people can watch a tournament live. You don't have to be within 20 feet of the player to understand what he or she is doing.

you can't see bugger all unless it's a short put. "swoosh" and the white ball sails through the air into the distance where if u want to see where it landed you have to walk a mile.

I don't know about many of you,but,I would much rather be out on a golf course than in a dark desolute pool room.No comparison.

And me! a golf course is a lovely place!

but down to the other point. i would rather play pool than golf any day because pool is a better game. saying that wonderful sunny blue skies and beautiful trimmed green grass is nicer to look at than a dark pool room is obviously true. but it's beside the point. as for the actual game of golf it's not a patch on pool.

but you know, maybe it's not beside the point. golf is just fortunate that the environment in which you play it is so nice. i make no bones about it i hate the game of golf with a passion. but i have played it once on a day out and to no surprise i had a great time. not because of the game, but because i was out in the sun and fresh air with good friends having a good time. unless you're a golf enthusiast, it's impossible to come away from the golf course not in a good mood. pool on the other hand... some of the places to play can test even the biggest lovers of the game's passion and make them want to walk out of the place!
 
Pool is played in smoke filled pool halls with people of dubious looks (Wife beater shirt, cut off shots and flip flops). Golf has an air of respect (especially at the courses that enforce a dress code).

Pool is associated with drugs. If you don't believe it, search for the threads discussing the new pro pool tour propositions with drug testing involved. Also, you should have tuned into the discussions on the live cam and chat room during DCC. This view is brought on by the players.

Golf will always have more money because it involves alot more sales of related equipment. More sales = more sponsors.

Pool is played in a bar. That's the way spouses, and mothers look at it. Bars are filled with dubious people. Moms don't let kids go to bars and attempt to keep hubby out of them too. Youth is the building block of all successful sports. If they can't play, the sport suffers.

I watch golf to see how the pros play. I watch pool for the same reason. If you don't play pool, you probably will not watch it. New players have to be brought into the game. But, first they have to get by the smoke, drugs and losers at the door.

I do play in shorts and tee shirt, drink beer, curse and all sorts of evil things (except drugs) so don't think I'm pointing fingers.
 
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You've crossed the line !!!

lodini said:
When parents are looking to sign their kids up for sports... mostly it's because they want their child doing something "active." Same with adult participation. You can argue that golf isn't that active either, but I think it has a lot to do with being outdoors and the training that is involved.

I also think that people who love to watch golf (either on TV or in person), do so because even the most amateur golfer appreciates every facet of the game. As it's been said so many times on here, the really amateur pool players ("bangers") just don't "get it." They don't appreciate the intricacies. Hell, SO many people think that they are great pool players just because they can pocket a few balls on a bar table at 3am. Even worse is the person who claims they "get better at pool after they get drunk.":eek:

Bottom line is that the masses associate pool with a smokey, indoor setting where everyone is drunk. And they don't appreciate the skill involved because they all think they can do it.
Okay, you've struck a nerve! One of my few attributes was my ability
to consume large quanities of Southern Comfort and still remain vertical
and pocket balls. Are you saying thats a detriment? Maybe thats why
my golfing idol is not Tiger Woods, it's JOHN DALY!!!!
 
Deleted... and moved to it's own thread... sorry, Midnight! I didn't want to hijack your thread!
 
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Don't get me wrong...

SJDinPHX said:
Okay, you've struck a nerve! One of my few attributes was my ability
to consume large quanities of Southern Comfort and still remain vertical
and pocket balls. Are you saying thats a detriment? Maybe thats why
my golfing idol is not Tiger Woods, it's JOHN DALY!!!!

I have nothing but the upmost respect for the good pool player who can still play well while intoxicated! What bothers me is the guy who can't play at all sober, but thinks he's Efren Reyes after a few beers:eek: :D
 
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