Installing Ferrules and c/a
- Thread starter Michael Webb
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Yep, pretty much what tends to happen.....I tried it on a mock up once, same result.
Dries too quickly for proper mechanical bond I think.
Not a cue builder but, and I've mentioned here before: You can't go to Home Depot for CA and expect THEIR choices will work for every application.
Yes, most of the Experienced cue builders know this.
I don't know for sure if there's a CA formulator that can address the dynamics of what a ferrule has to withstand but if you ask LocTite or Permatex or PermaBond or ....... and tell them what's expected of their glue, they just might have a solution. Maybe Not! If I sold the stuff I'd tell you the truth. I think their Tech folks will too.
These CA Glues are formulated for different strengths/advantages. The most common are Pull, Shear, and Impact. All these goals are in conflict with each other.
If you want to use this stuff... Make a phone call.
Or
Do what you know for sure works.
Yes, most of the Experienced cue builders know this.
I don't know for sure if there's a CA formulator that can address the dynamics of what a ferrule has to withstand but if you ask LocTite or Permatex or PermaBond or ....... and tell them what's expected of their glue, they just might have a solution. Maybe Not! If I sold the stuff I'd tell you the truth. I think their Tech folks will too.
These CA Glues are formulated for different strengths/advantages. The most common are Pull, Shear, and Impact. All these goals are in conflict with each other.
If you want to use this stuff... Make a phone call.
Or
Do what you know for sure works.
Why bother, when epoxy does the job just fine? Sure, there's different types of Cyano acrylate, but the point of all super glues is to cure quickly, in a ferrule installation, that's something you don't really want, heck I don't even use quick cure epoxy for my ferrule jobs, it just doesn't hold up. West 105/205 quick with 303 or 304 filler and that thing will never come off. Obviously I thread my tennons and ferrules 3/8-18, that mechanical bond alone is pretty strong, I'm sure modern wood glues like Titebond 3 would work too.
As well as threading them, I knew a cuemaker that only used white glue (Elmer's) on ferrules, and I never saw one fail.
I prefer quick epoxy, since it's easy to break the bond with some heat if you ever want to unscrew it.
I've come across some of those. Guess it might depend on the c/a used. After a month or so, the customers thought thier shafts were cracked when the glue bond broke.
As usual Mike you are spot on. I only use CA on a ferrule job that the customer just has to have right away. I warn them that if the CA bond breaks down, we’re back to square one. Fortunately, most people understand that epoxy is the better (and proper) choice.
I worked Tournaments for a long time. From the East coast thru Canada. As much as I refuse to use it now, I always brought 5 minute epoxy with me. I used so much of it at Tournaments that I purchased the 1 to 1 pumps from Michael Engineering. I've never put ferrules on with c/a because of foreseen future issues.