instroke case pocket finish question

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jer9ball

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I bought an instroke cowboy case. Where the pockets are sewn onto the case, the material (leather?) is not folded over. Simply sewn flat onto the case, so you can see the edge of the material. It looks like leather to me.

I've seen 3 other instroke cases, where the pocket material is folded over before it is sewn onto the outside of the case. So you cannot see the edge of that material, and it is more difficult to tell what it is. The inside of the pockets (on my case) has a soft lining. I thought that might indicate it was vinyl, but then I thought that lining could be applied to leather.

Those cases seem to have a more supple material than mine. Their owners are quite sure that they have leather cases. But so am I. Two of those cases have silver colored hardware. Mine is brass colored. I bought my case from Seybert's, and it is supposed to be a leather 3x5 cowboy.

What I'm wondering is, how can a person tell if their case is leather or vinyl? What does it mean if the pocket's material is not folded over before it is sewn on? Is this an indication of where it was made, or what model the case is?

Thanks for any info.

cheers,
jer9ball
 
Generally the leather Cowboy models have folded edges while the vinyl ones do not.

As for the comment about whether they would be finished "better" if they were made in the USA it is completely out of line. The Instroke case is finished as well, if not better than any case made in the United States.

Would Allison, Karen, Jennifer Chen and Sarah Ellerby be "finished better" if they were made in the USA??????

John
 
Hey Gremlin:

How do you like your New York Case? Is it well made like a Whitten Case?
 
Gremlin said:
John,

My statement is an honest and true one, is it not? Instroke cases are not made in the United States of America are they? (Quote John! "The Instroke case is finished as well, if not better than any case made in the United States.")

It is in the interest of all Americans to know where the products they buy are manufactured? Allison, Karen, Jennifer and Sarah are wonderful human beings and are not finished cue cases to be used in a child like example in a billiard forum. The label on my cue case reads "NEW YORK CASE COMPANY MADE IN THE USA" I am dam proud of that!

Cheers,

Gremlin :D
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No Gremlin it is not honest and true. First of all the question was not about how "well" the cases are finished but which "type" of finish denotes which type of material used. You are the one who insinuated a poor finish. As an American who started a company in Germany and who has been all over the world I take incredible offense to your presumption that something I made for over ten years would be inferior JUST BECAUSE it is not made on U.S. soil.

On the product. The Instroke case is made to be better than any case made anywhere. Point for point there is no better case. If you care to in another discussion we can go toe to toe on that score. Whether YOU like something better or not does not change that fact.

Why you felt the need to bring this up is beyond me. You profess to adore Sarah Ellerby and yet you slight her choice of affiliation, i.e. Instroke.

Your post was bigoted, ignorant of the facts and kind of mean spirited. I think you owe me and the board an apology.

After all Allison got one for something that wasn't even a slight and she is the world's premier spokesperson for Chinese made cues. Just imagine what a player she could be if she would just use a good American made cue. :-(

John
 
Gremlin said:
Kokopuffs,

My case is fantastic! Looks like Whitten LW 36 3x6 Black. Excellent appointments and detail. No imperfections like the less expensive case jer9ball speaks of. Scan of Whitten Lw-36 looks just like my New York Case

Cheers,

Gremlin ;)
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You know something. I used to think you were all right and now I think you are a jerk. jer9ball did claim any imperfections so stop saying he/she did. Secondly I find it funny that you are, incorrectly most likely, lauding a COPY of another casemaker's work. Why didn't you just buy the Whitten?

Your ignorance is amazing.

John
 
instroke said:
You know something. I used to think you were all right and now I think you are a jerk. jer9ball did claim any imperfections so stop saying he/she did. Secondly I find it funny that you are, incorrectly most likely, lauding a COPY of another casemaker's work. Why didn't you just buy the Whitten?

Your ignorance is amazing.

John
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Hey John, welcome to the club! Great to have you!

-djb
 
Hi all. Well, I didn't mean to start a battle. Seems to be the way most forums go these days though.

Thought I'd follow-up this thread with what I found: I have done an informal survey of instroke cases. So far, I've seen two that have non-folded material on the pockets, and many with. I looked very closely at my case, as well as the sample leather patch that comes with it. I'm convinced that the case is made of leather, but I think the "grain" is manufactured, which is why I thought it might be vinyl. Now, I thought top-grain leather wouldn't have a manufactured grain look but I could easily be wrong. No leather expert here. Hey, I have a hard time telling vinyl from leather!

So why are some pockets finished differently than others? I think it is simply the thickness of the leather or material used. The pocket leather on my case is quite thick, and sewing it while folded would be a challenge. Vinyl is thinner. And since every piece of leather is different, some leather cases may have the pockets finished with a fold. That's my theory anyway.

And, just to set the record straight: John is correct in that I never claimed there was a defect with my case, or an imperfection. Simply a different method of finishing.

cheers,
jer9ball
 
instroke said:
No Gremlin it is not honest and true. First of all the question was not about how "well" the cases are finished but which "type" of finish denotes which type of material used. You are the one who insinuated a poor finish. As an American who started a company in Germany and who has been all over the world I take incredible offense to your presumption that something I made for over ten years would be inferior JUST BECAUSE it is not made on U.S. soil.

On the product. The Instroke case is made to be better than any case made anywhere. Point for point there is no better case. If you care to in another discussion we can go toe to toe on that score. Whether YOU like something better or not does not change that fact.

Why you felt the need to bring this up is beyond me. You profess to adore Sarah Ellerby and yet you slight her choice of affiliation, i.e. Instroke.

Your post was bigoted, ignorant of the facts and kind of mean spirited. I think you owe me and the board an apology.

After all Allison got one for something that wasn't even a slight and she is the world's premier spokesperson for Chinese made cues. Just imagine what a player she could be if she would just use a good American made cue. :-(

John
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welcome John, i just want to say that i love my Instroke case (artisian series).by far the case i have ever owned
 
I have an Instroke Buffalo Cowboy and it is a great case. And to say it is cheaper is someone who has not researched cases much. My case was $400 that is not exactly cheap. It is well made and I did not know where it was made nor does it matter if it is what I like. Gremlin is/was just looking for a way to express his views on the "old" claim....american is better. That is not always true! I wish it were, but it is not.
 
MY Instroke case!

instroke said:
No Gremlin it is not honest and true. First of all the question was not about how "well" the cases are finished but which "type" of finish denotes which type of material used. You are the one who insinuated a poor finish. As an American who started a company in Germany and who has been all over the world I take incredible offense to your presumption that something I made for over ten years would be inferior JUST BECAUSE it is not made on U.S. soil.

On the product. The Instroke case is made to be better than any case made anywhere. Point for point there is no better case. If you care to in another discussion we can go toe to toe on that score. Whether YOU like something better or not does not change that fact.

Why you felt the need to bring this up is beyond me. You profess to adore Sarah Ellerby and yet you slight her choice of affiliation, i.e. Instroke.

Your post was bigoted, ignorant of the facts and kind of mean spirited. I think you owe me and the board an apology.

After all Allison got one for something that wasn't even a slight and she is the world's premier spokesperson for Chinese made cues. Just imagine what a player she could be if she would just use a good American made cue. :-(

John
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Hi there,
I do not post here but felt I'd like to say a few words on behalf of Instoke and John-first of all:
I've used my Instroke case for 4 years,going through baggage claims at airports and Im pretty brutal with handling-my case has lived up to its reputation -it passed my endurance test:)Only recently has my zipper threading become loose-I sent my case to John Barton,maybe 4 weeks ago and have just received it two days ago-I think that is pretty impressive when it comes to repairing an item-not only that, my case looks like its brand new-so, thank you John for repairing my case and sending it back to me in a very timely manner!Instorke does live up to its reputation!
Take care John and thanks again!
Carol:)
 
I'll add my support for the quality and value of Instroke cases here. My Vinyl Premier case is as solid as they come, and looks great to boot.

A good cue case can be manufactured anywhere in the world. We're not talking about computer chips here, which requires a high level of tech infrastructure/skill/knowledge/etc. Taiwan, btw, is the largest producer of micro-chips in the world.

And besides, pool is HUGE in Taiwan. Live coverage of all tournaments, both local, national, and international, as well as large purses in invitational matches which is drawing the likes of Earl, Efren, and Busta to the island in the next week for the World Stars Cup. I can't think of a better place to produce billiards products.

Roger
 
Gremlin said:
jer9ball,

I didn't mean to start an argument either. Just pointing out buyer beware. When a product sells so much cheaper than other products there is a reason. Smoke and mirrors can't hide that. Not a manufacturing defect just another way to produce a cheaper product. Using cheap foreign labor. Same with Cuetec cues.

John I apologize to you for my poor choice of words: ("No imperfections like the less expensive case jer9ball speaks of.") I should have said manufacturing differences.

There is nothing mean spirited, bigoted, or ignorant about my post. Where are the cases made????????? The answer is on your web site. Are you trying to intimidate me by the mention of Allison and Sarah? Forget it! You mention Allison and Sarah that is beneath your diginity. You owe Allison and Sarah an apology!

I wonder who the bigger fool is someone like doomcue who lives in a state which has lost billions of job dollars to cheap foreign labor and follows you John or me for thinking about having CNN list you as one of the US Companies who turned American jobs over to cheap foreign labor while the standard of living of American's is declining. Hell, who really cares I will never live to see something done about it. This is the biggest waste of time in my life. Later I am out of here.

Attached my last photo on this forum It's the real gremlin on the farm where I really like to be. LOL

Harry
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Harry,
Cm'on now,
That was 40 years ago!:):)
Carol
 
It matters not what is on the outside, it's what's inside that counts..........
You don't beat your opponent with your case...or maybe you do (over the head)? Who knows, I don't know your game. As long as you have a decent stick, the attitude, and a stroke, who cares if you case is Made in the USA or a knockoff. I certainly don't, but then again I'm not American.

cheers
 
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