Instroke Insulation
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Yes it can. The interior of the Instroke will slowly adapt to the exterior temperature. In our testing it took twelve hours for the inside of the case to reach the ambient temperature outside the case. At the start of the experiment the outside temperature was 90 degrees and the interior temperature was 78. So it took 12 hours for the temperature to change 12 degrees and even after 12 hours the inside temp was 89.
I leave my cues in the car ALL the time inside my Instroke cases. Winter - summer - heat and rain, doesn't matter. Never had a problem yet.
John
I leave my cues in the car ALL the time inside my Instroke cases. Winter - summer - heat and rain, doesn't matter. Never had a problem yet.
John
Take a look at the following thread from another forum: http://www.seyberts.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=865buddha162 said:
Here is one guy's solution from there:
HTH
instroke said:
I thought you were in the south. I think it might be a little different when you leave a cue in a car which is sitting in weather that is in the single digits. I'll guarantee that no matter what material the cue is inside that after a few hours in that kind of weather the cue will be in the single digits itself. When you take it out to play I can't believe it is good for the cue to either use it that cold or to accelerate the warming time so that you can use it.
There is an old saying in the colder parts of the country "Never buy a house which is built in the winter." That I believe is because of the effect on the wood and cues are made of wood.
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Um I have lived just about everywhere. My cues have been in the car in 110 degree Las Vegas heat, subzero temperatures in Canada and Germany, wild daily fluctuations in Colorado and so on.
I cannot speak for every cue or every situation. I am just the chef who eats his own cooking. I am a pool player first and a casemaker second.
When I come out of the poolroom at three in the morning I THROW the case into the back seat or the cargo area. Then I pile stuff on it until the next time I go to play pool when I just yank it out from under whatever is on top of it and go in the poolroom. I never care if the temperature is 10 degrees or 100 degrees. Maybe I am just lucky but I would like to think that it has something to do with the way I build cue cases.
John Barton
I cannot speak for every cue or every situation. I am just the chef who eats his own cooking. I am a pool player first and a casemaker second.
When I come out of the poolroom at three in the morning I THROW the case into the back seat or the cargo area. Then I pile stuff on it until the next time I go to play pool when I just yank it out from under whatever is on top of it and go in the poolroom. I never care if the temperature is 10 degrees or 100 degrees. Maybe I am just lucky but I would like to think that it has something to do with the way I build cue cases.
John Barton
I am amazed at some of the crap people will spew just to sell their product! Common sense should tell you that NO CASE will keep your cue warm in freezing temperatures. It doesnt matter HOW its constructed! What a JOKE!
I am in the process of having a cue made and was considering one of your cases, until these laughable claims. Maybe you should offer a warranty agains warpage of any cue stored in YOUR case. Man, now thats a DEAL!
I am in the process of having a cue made and was considering one of your cases, until these laughable claims. Maybe you should offer a warranty agains warpage of any cue stored in YOUR case. Man, now thats a DEAL!
Hey Mr. Purdy, what happened to the post you made regarding the temperature testing? I think its only fair to the members here that you put that information back up. Please put it back up until Mr Barton decides to retract his "claims", or offer some form of PROOF!!
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Indianaguy said:
First of all it's not my product. I don't make a dime off the sale of Instroke cases. I built the case for 13 years and sold the company last year. Secondly, I posted my PERSONAL experiences with the case. I never ever said that the case will keep the cue warm in freezing temperatures. I said we did an experiment where is took twelve hours for the temperature to change 11 degrees, I did not claim that this is true in all situations and all enviromental situations.
Maybe you could tell me EXACTLY which claims I made are laughable? Was it the ones where I said "I" keep my cues in my car through any weather? Would you trust a cook who wouldn't eat his own cooking? What else?
Dude, you don't have to buy an Instroke, there are tens of thousands of people who did who are 100% satisfied with the cases and hundreds of Instroke owners who have had the misfortune to have their cases subjected to extreme stress of some form and have written to express their gratitude that the case did it's job as advertised.
I have stood in front of thousands of pool players and subjected Instroke cases to various forms of torture to PROVE the claims that I do make. I will bet that there are more than few people here who remember me putting $2000 cues in any random Instroke picked off the wall at the booth and tossing it high in the air with the lid open to prove that the cue and case would both survive unharmed. I have put my expensive cues in a case and let a humidifier bathe it with steam for three days at the Super Show in Valley Forge. There is more than one cuemaker who stood by apalled that I would take a $1500 cue put it in a case and furiously jump on it repeatedly to prove that the cue would be unharmed.
Let's not be confused as to what exactly I did say, okay? I did not tell anyone that the case would keep their cue at any constant temperature. I said it will allow the cue to slowly acclimate to a different enviroment, which it does. Even using Mr. Purdy's experiment you can see that the original poster's question is answered - IT IS OKAY TO TAKE THE CASE FROM A WARM ENVIROMENT AND LEAVE IT IN A FREEZING CAR FOR TEN MINUTES WHILE THE CAR IS WARMING UP. This is the ONLY question that I said YES to while relating my reasoning which IS the 13 years of real world use AND the one measured temperature experiment we did.
So you can make your decision based on whatever you decide is important to you. I do leave my cues in my car in all conditions and have done so for 13 years. If you think I have deliberately jeaprodized around $15,000 dollars worth of my personal cues just to sell cases then you don't deserve to own an Instroke. You may think I am an asshole but I have always backed up my newsgroup postings in public and I don't intend to stop now.
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I have no intention of retracting anything. Anyone who will take a one hour ad-hoc experiment against 13 years of real world true experience and usage as well as against the real experiences of hundreds of Instroke case owners is foolish.
I can sort of understand Mr. Purdy's intention but his results and susequent conclusion cannot possibly speak for every combination of materials and enviroment. I on the other hand am the voice of experience who HAS in fact subjected well more than $100,000 in cues to a wide range of temperatures and climates over a period of 13 years.
I would argue that I might be second only to Leonard Bludworth in miles traveled with cues for sale. Having cues for sale neccessitates that they stay in good condition for presentation to the buyer.
So I have kept those cues in Instroke cases all these years and all these miles in winter through summer and ocean to ocean. If that testimony is not worth anything then nothing is.
I have nothing to "prove". My reputation speaks for itself. Tens of thousands of Instroke cases sold speak for their popularity. Dozens of testimonials on the reliability of the cases in a variety of unusual situations more than back up anything I have said on this or any other forum in my eight years of posting.
Go to www.instroke.com and read the testimonials. Do you think that Mr. Purdy wants to call all of his fellow pool enthusiasts there liars as well?
John Barton
I can sort of understand Mr. Purdy's intention but his results and susequent conclusion cannot possibly speak for every combination of materials and enviroment. I on the other hand am the voice of experience who HAS in fact subjected well more than $100,000 in cues to a wide range of temperatures and climates over a period of 13 years.
I would argue that I might be second only to Leonard Bludworth in miles traveled with cues for sale. Having cues for sale neccessitates that they stay in good condition for presentation to the buyer.
So I have kept those cues in Instroke cases all these years and all these miles in winter through summer and ocean to ocean. If that testimony is not worth anything then nothing is.
I have nothing to "prove". My reputation speaks for itself. Tens of thousands of Instroke cases sold speak for their popularity. Dozens of testimonials on the reliability of the cases in a variety of unusual situations more than back up anything I have said on this or any other forum in my eight years of posting.
Go to www.instroke.com and read the testimonials. Do you think that Mr. Purdy wants to call all of his fellow pool enthusiasts there liars as well?
John Barton
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NOSAJ03 said:
No I am not saying that. Although some here have said that I did.
I said only that "I" leave "my" cues in my Instroke cases in the car in ANY temperature that it happens to be. I have never been to Alaska so I "might" reconsider my pratice if I were confronted with that sort of extreme temperature. I will tell you, swear an affidavit as some here seem to need
) , that I HAVE in fact left my cues in my car in Las Vegas when the temperature was 110 degrees and had no harm come to them. I do this for about two months a year. I can tell you that I have left my cues in the car while traveling in Canada in January where the temperature was around 5 degrees fahrenheit and had no harm come to them. None of my friends agree with my practice of leaving the cues in the car and yet they are always forced to admit that I am right when I say that my cues will be fine. They are always taking their cues to the hotel room when we are on the road. In addition to being afraid of the temperature they are also afraid of theft which IS a bigger threat than the enviroment in my opinion.
And THAT is my opinion - please don't take it out of context or ascribe to me things I did not say.
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NOSAJ03 said:
No I am not saying that. Although some here have said that I did.
I said only that "I" leave "my" cues in my Instroke cases in the car in ANY temperature that it happens to be. I have never been to Alaska so I "might" reconsider my pratice if I were confronted with that sort of extreme temperature. I will tell you, swear an affidavit as some here seem to need
) , that I HAVE in fact left my cues in my car in Las Vegas when the temperature was 110 degrees and had no harm come to them. I do this for about two months a year. I can tell you that I have left my cues in the car while traveling in Canada in January where the temperature was around 5 degrees fahrenheit and had no harm come to them. None of my friends agree with my practice of leaving the cues in the car and yet they are always forced to admit that I am right when I say that my cues will be fine. They are always taking their cues to the hotel room when we are on the road. In addition to being afraid of the temperature they are also afraid of theft which IS a bigger threat than the enviroment in my opinion.
And THAT is my opinion - please don't take it out of context or ascribe to me things I did not say.
John
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Dude, it ain't braggin if you can do it.
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Good post Instroke! I dont see your posts as bragging at all. If in fact everything you're saying is true, Instroke cases are a quality product.
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Roland,
All you have to do is do a google groups search on "instroke" to find dozens of testimonials from Instroke case owners who will verify any and all claims I have ever made about the cases. My comments on these subjects are all archived along with unsolicited real-world experiences from the users of the product.
Anyone can snipe and troll on the message boards - only a few can stay and fade the heat when it's put back on the them.
John
All you have to do is do a google groups search on "instroke" to find dozens of testimonials from Instroke case owners who will verify any and all claims I have ever made about the cases. My comments on these subjects are all archived along with unsolicited real-world experiences from the users of the product.
Anyone can snipe and troll on the message boards - only a few can stay and fade the heat when it's put back on the them.
John
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I have never said anything negative about Instroke cases. I only tested your false claim. I have told you that I like them. They just offer next to nothing in insulation value and a great deal in cue protection. I own two of them myself. I had three, sold one with the Sgruggs Christmas Special.
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Donald A. Purdy said:
Let's get the facts straight. You did not test my claim as you did not perform the same test I did. You performed a similar test using different equipment in a different enviroment. You did not test anything else - like for example how quickly the temperature would reach ambienence with any other type of case or material, nor did you tell us how quickly a cue would reach ambient temperature with nothing around it for comparison.
I said that Instroke insulates the case against sudden temperature change and it does. Surely you are not going to say that leather, foam rubber, PVC tubing and fabric do not form some kind of barrier to temperature change? What is the R-factor of the Instroke case that you tested Mr. Purdy? Surely you must be able to calculate that based upon your expertise.
And how do you know whether the Instroke provides good protection or not? What is your criteria for judging that?
Inquiring minds want to know.
John