Instructors that won't tell you what speed they are

Blackjack said:
I have... and I know that I am not alone.

When someone comes to me, I am there to pass along knowledge, to be as helpful as I can. I am there to detect any weaknes and come up with solutions to turn those weaknesses into strengths. I am not there to be evaluated, the student is. If you're there to evaluate me, or to gage my speed, your wasting my time and your money.

I'm not one to put up with any attitude either. You either have faith in my abilites as an instructor, or you should seek the assitance of somebody else that will put up with your attitude. I don't have time for it.

My methods work for those that work hard. I can't and won't teach you everything I am capable of teaching you in one class session. If you take one class and never return, that says more about you than it does about me. The first "class" I had with Cisero Murphy I was not allowed to say or ask anything - I was told to sit down, shut up and watch. I didn't hit a ball until the 5th session and when I did he told me to sit back down for another 3 sessions. Afterwards, I felt as if I was being treated like a baby, and I vowed to never return, but something in my gut told me that I had to go back. For a stretch of time, I felt as if I was wasting my time until I finally realized that at the end of 2 weeks I had learned more than I had in the last 2 years - and I ran 60 balls - easily. Something worked.
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It comes down to how bad you want to learn and what you're willing to go through to learn it. If you go into it with an ego and require more of the instructor than you require of yourself - you'll keep spinning your wheels. That's been my experience in doing this for the past 20+ years.

good post, nice story.


What I love is when someone asks for help with something or pays for a lesson, and everytime they get new information they question it and say " well, I do it like this". Obviously if what they were doing up to that point was working for them so well, why would they be seeking out help? The definition of insanity is doing what you've always done and expecting different results! If you want to see a difference you must be willing to do something different than what you are doing currently. Even though this is very obvious it is a point very often overlooked.

This is not to say that you should not be critical and discerning in new information. There is much misinformation, misconceptions, and outright incorrect ideas flying around. Also what works for one does not mean it is a one size fits all. While there are wrong ways, I beleive that there is more than one correct approach as far as fundamentals as long as basic requirements are met.
 
JoeyA said:
I have heard similar words from Filipino players but do not think I ever truly got it. I've pondered it to bits.

Can you help to explain it? ( How it's done and the benefits to be derived from it, etc.)
JoeyA


I am assuming he is referring to cueing the ball low as in a draw shot, but hitting it at the right speed so that the friction between the ball and the cloth will wear off the backspin and turn into natural forward roll. Done properly you can use this method to play a stop shot or pocket a ball and have the cue just roll up a few inches for proper position.
 
poolpro said:
I am assuming he is referring to cueing the ball low as in a draw shot, but hitting it at the right speed so that the friction between the ball and the cloth will wear off the backspin and turn into natural forward roll. Done properly you can use this method to play a stop shot or pocket a ball and have the cue just roll up a few inches for proper position.

That's all my Filipino pool-playing buddies can suggest too.

Is there certain incantation that goes with this or is that all there is to it?

Thanks,

JoeyA (OmmmmmmmmmOmmmmmmmmmOmmmmmmmmmmm) waiting.
 
It is possible to determine if an instructor's methods have been worth the money spent.

1. The student needs to evaluate their own game and have some good idea about how well they play. The average number of balls pocketed in each frame of the Hopkins Q Skill is one good measure. Playing 30 frames would give a good estimate of one's current ability.

2. Ask the instructor what they will teach that will lead to an improvement in one's ability. The instructor may want to see one play before telling the student what they can do.

3. Ask how long before improvement should be demonstrated. The prescription could be in number of practice hours the student will need as determined by the instructor. I am assuming honest effort on the part of a qualified instructor and honest effort on the part of a student who is paying for the experience.

4. Return to step one where the student will evaluate their own progress.

Incidentally, there are ways to determine if a significant amount of progress has been made using statistics based on the student?s prior scores. For those interested look up how to calculate a "Repeated Measures t-test."
 
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