Intentional safety in BCA eight ball?
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Yes
as long as you call 'Safe' before the shot,
and your opponent acknowledges.
But, in general, if you are in kind of a safety
match because of a couple of balls tied up,
you DO NOT MAKE your ball and call safe,
because if your opponent makes a good shot
on his tied up ball, and your only ball left was
the one of yours tied up, you might not have
a shot on it, that why you leave your balls on
the table. YOU make your opponent make the
mistake (force him to kick to break up the balls),
and then you have more than 1 ball on the table
to shoot at.
as long as you call 'Safe' before the shot,
and your opponent acknowledges.
But, in general, if you are in kind of a safety
match because of a couple of balls tied up,
you DO NOT MAKE your ball and call safe,
because if your opponent makes a good shot
on his tied up ball, and your only ball left was
the one of yours tied up, you might not have
a shot on it, that why you leave your balls on
the table. YOU make your opponent make the
mistake (force him to kick to break up the balls),
and then you have more than 1 ball on the table
to shoot at.
Snapshot9 said:
This is very good advice. If you call safe intending on pocketing a ball, why not call safe and shoot to leave the ball in the jaws instead of pocketing it. That way you block that pocket for your opponent AND have a duck to use later. The general rule I use is : if you can't see the runout, play safe as soon as possible leaving as many of your ball on the table as possible.
Dave
On this occassion you had me pocketing my ball in say top left and my other ball was covering his ball in the bottom right. There really wasn't anyway he was going to shoot his ball in the top left and he couldn't shoot his ball as my ball was covering his. That's why I thought it appropriate to call an intentional safety whereby he has to kick at his ball possibly freeing up my ball if he missed.
In the situation I don't see any advantage to keeping my ball on the table.
In the situation I don't see any advantage to keeping my ball on the table.
DaveK said:
Did you not read my previous post ...
Because he could kick at his ball, and possibly kick
yours out, but have a safety on your ball, or at
least where you didn't have a GOOD shot. What
if he just barely taps his ball, leaves them tied up
sort of, are you going to be forced to hit your ball
out where he will have a shot then. YOU do not
want to be in that position, YOU PLAY IT SAFE
in the first place by not making that first ball
and playing safe. You leave that first ball on the
table and just hit it around, leaving him kicks at
his ball UNTIL HE MAKES A MISTAKE on a shot,
leaving you with more than 1 shot. Your train of
thought is a COMMON beginners problem, and not
smart Pool TO WIN THE GAME.
Remember, his imagination is different than yours,
and he may see a shot for him that could be a safe
shot that you do not see. DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING
FOR GRANTED. Leave your options open, do not
take yourself down to just 1 option and think it
will work out like you think it will.
Because he could kick at his ball, and possibly kick
yours out, but have a safety on your ball, or at
least where you didn't have a GOOD shot. What
if he just barely taps his ball, leaves them tied up
sort of, are you going to be forced to hit your ball
out where he will have a shot then. YOU do not
want to be in that position, YOU PLAY IT SAFE
in the first place by not making that first ball
and playing safe. You leave that first ball on the
table and just hit it around, leaving him kicks at
his ball UNTIL HE MAKES A MISTAKE on a shot,
leaving you with more than 1 shot. Your train of
thought is a COMMON beginners problem, and not
smart Pool TO WIN THE GAME.
Remember, his imagination is different than yours,
and he may see a shot for him that could be a safe
shot that you do not see. DO NOT TAKE ANYTHING
FOR GRANTED. Leave your options open, do not
take yourself down to just 1 option and think it
will work out like you think it will.
steffi said:
Play the safety, sure. But you cannot predict what will happen before you return to the table. With one ball on the table you have one ball to hit/pocket/get-shape. With two balls on the table you'll have more choices, and your opponent will have less options for his/her safety play. The situation gets better when you have three balls on the table, etc., assuming you have the abilities to run them out. Having said that, it is a general rule of strategy which of course can be broken as needed/desired, as long as you understand the overall concept. You figured yourself to be in a much superior position with or without the 'extra' ball (the one you pocketed in the safety play), and that's fine. It is however much more common for you to be in a better position with both balls on the table, just not in this instance.
Dave
For every rule ...
ever made there is a way to get around it. Like the old
BAR room rules for 8 ball, no safeties, had to shoot to
make balls all the time. Well, I just happened to miss
some shots, and leave the cueball tied up ... a bad shot
on my part ... lol
Steffi ... Want to improve your game, increase your mental
toughness, and learn strategy?
Read 'The Art of War', by Sun Tzu. It will change the way you
think about things in Pool.
Hooked said:In leagues or tournaments that do not allow called safeties, I just call the ball in a different pocket (make it in the corner but call it in the side) makes people mad but I play to win
ever made there is a way to get around it. Like the old
BAR room rules for 8 ball, no safeties, had to shoot to
make balls all the time. Well, I just happened to miss
some shots, and leave the cueball tied up ... a bad shot
on my part ... lol
Steffi ... Want to improve your game, increase your mental
toughness, and learn strategy?
Read 'The Art of War', by Sun Tzu. It will change the way you
think about things in Pool.