Intentional Scratch
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It's not generally illegal...most of the time it's a smart thing to do..
But in certain situations it's illegal indeed...for example:
Playing straight pool..player A is on one foul...and scratches...then he is on 2 fouls and player B has ball in hand behind the head string...
So player B could place the cueball behind the jaw of a pocket and just touch it with his cue leaving it there to make a third foul for player A more likely...that is one of the few intentional scratches that is not allowed...you will be penalized with unsportsmanship behaviour and get -15 points...
But in certain situations it's illegal indeed...for example:
Playing straight pool..player A is on one foul...and scratches...then he is on 2 fouls and player B has ball in hand behind the head string...
So player B could place the cueball behind the jaw of a pocket and just touch it with his cue leaving it there to make a third foul for player A more likely...that is one of the few intentional scratches that is not allowed...you will be penalized with unsportsmanship behaviour and get -15 points...
Hate to admit it, but I am unfamiliar with the game, but sounds like definitely frowned upon and penalized in straight pool.
thanks for the explanation
remember to spot the CB on the spot when you scratch
Robbie is in LA I will see him tomaro, I asked him about that game, he said we have our game at our room when ever, i think i will be there in Sept, looking for tickets now.
Maybe I played too much bar pool when I was younger, I just can't shake a feeling it is doing something wrong. Thanks for the confirmation.
remember to spot the CB on the spot when you scratch
Robbie is in LA I will see him tomaro, I asked him about that game, he said we have our game at our room when ever, i think i will be there in Sept, looking for tickets now.
Goddam that game still keeps me up at night...just can't get my head round that...:embarrassed2:
@pocket:
Just nothing wrong with it most of the time...I personally like to use it...I love playing the tactical side of the game and intentional fouls are a big part of it...
Thanks for further confirmation. There is something extra satisfying by playing a good safe!
really would love to see this in writing as I do not see how it could be taken as unsportmanlike... You can always make a touch foul in 14.1.... why would it matter if it leaves them behind the pocket point?? Now if they pin it which is illegal in 1-pocket as well I understand.....
Chris
Ok maybe I didn't make it clear enough....if you get ball in hand in straight pool and put the cueball behind the jaw of a pocket with your hand....and then just slightly touch it with your cue without moving it anywhere else...that's not only a foul but unsportsmanlike behaviour and is penalized with -15 points...
I don't know the expression "pin it" I guess that's what you mean?
Here is an example:
Gottier scratched on the break and Thorsten gets ball in hand...now he could do what I described above to force his opponent to another foul...instead he shoots back and forth the table making an intentional foul...although he could have placed the cueball behind the jaws of a pocket with his hand and leave it there like I said...
But that's just not allowed to do...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ZlEqBKHjYiY&t=114
In the 14.1 example, what you describe (placing it in the jaw) is not a shot, for
any kind of action to be a shot the cueball has to pass the headstring (leave the kitchen).
So while the player that does this could get a penalty, the most inportant thing is, it is still his turn at the table because he did not shoot yet.
An intentional foul where you actually shoot a shot however is perfectly legal
gr. Dave
any kind of action to be a shot the cueball has to pass the headstring (leave the kitchen).
So while the player that does this could get a penalty, the most inportant thing is, it is still his turn at the table because he did not shoot yet.
An intentional foul where you actually shoot a shot however is perfectly legal
gr. Dave
I think ball in hand came about from just this sort of action in games. Years ago if the next ball to shoot was behind the head string, shooting a scratch so the other player would have to shoot out of the kitchen was consider really Chickensh*t, but was nothing you could do about it other than bust someones head. Ball in hand fixed that problem. I feel like a person should not gain an advantage from a scratch, there should be a price to pay and ball in hand quite brutal most of the time.--Smitty
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ this :thumbup:
You read it incorrectly.
For historical terminology accuracy, you are talking specifically about the advent of "full table ball-in-hand."
The act of placing the cueball "anywhere behind the headstring" was called " ball-in-hand" before the full-table version came about.
Carry on,
Freddie <~~~ TROTS
True , also unless they have changed the rule you must hit the cue ball with your tip .Using the side of your furrel is a 15 point penalty !
If you do it with a regular stroke, it's nothing aside from a regular foul penalty. If you do something like smack several balls with the side of your stick or hand or something, that is a loss of game foul. There were just some posts about this stuff not long ago, fouls vs major fouls.
Things like that is what causes a stalemate rule in 8 ball to apply, if trying to shoot at something will cause you to lose a game say your ball and the 8 are in the jaws but you can't hit your ball without sinking the 8 or the other player can't hit the 8 first, so you just foul, then the next player does the same, a few more times and the game is re-played.
The object ball behind the head string spotted on a scratch, providing there was no other object ball south of the head string. I believe it would be the ball closest to the head string if there was more than one ball in the kitchen. You're talking about a bar rule that wasn't played in commercial billiard rooms, at least in my experience.
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