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The idea to financially reward players on a sliding scale of performance seems to have been a good one from a rankings point of view, as there are no "tied" placings in the top 100. It's only when you get down amongst the first round exitees that there are ties, but they won't earn their tour cards anyway.
Whoever wins tonight will go top (obviously), and the runner-up will go 3rd behind Hohmann. Manalo slips to 6th, with Orcollo and Immonen going 4th and 5th respectively. Souquet, Ortmann, Bustamante & Duell make up the top 10 in that order.
My compatriots Shaw(qualifier) & Holtz(IPT member) are 72nd & 126th respectively, so both will have to sweat (but not too much I hope!) to get in the top 100. Of the Brits, Appleton(13th) is the highest ranked followed by Hill(15th), Peach(17th), Boyes (19th) & Hundal(35th).
If the Mosconi Cup teams were picked on this hypothetical basis it would throw up: Hohmann, Souquet, Immonen, Ortmann, Appleton & Hill VS. Morris, Duell, Nevel, Owen, Matlock & Williams.
There are 29 qualifiers in the top 100, but when you "project" the rankings to include the extra $6k that all IPT members will earn as a minimum from the 1(or 2?) remaining events, that figure drops to 24, with our own Jayson Shaw the lowest ranked of these, at 92nd. This means that of the 75 players who will qualify for round 2 of the Masters, at least 7 will be currently ranked below Jayson, and will therefore overtake him. That's how much of a tightrope he's on. Pat Holtz on the other hand, should make the 100 if he gets through the first round.
I heard that KT has promised all first round Masters losers $6k to make up their earnings to the initially promised $13k. Will this figure definitely be reflected in the rankings?
I'll post a full list after tonights final.
 
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Looks Like 24 Qualifiers in Top 100 Now

Qualfier Rank Prize Money
Nevel, Larry 23 $58,502
Alcano, Ronato 25 $56,854
Boyes, Karl 28 $50,905
Lining, Antonio 32 $43,030
Matlock, David 33 $42,920
Diks, Rico 34 $42,140
Kirkwood, Jason 35 $41,382
Luat, Rodolfo 36 $41,100
Engert, Thomas 42 $37,635
Tot, Sandor 45 $35,380
Hsia, Hui-Kai 47 $33,275
Jungo, Dimitri 49 $31,095
Harriman, Danny 51 $30,005
Moore, Steve 53 $28,900
Davies, Ben 55 $27,678
Sambajon, Santos 61 $25,485
Drago, Tony 62 $25,206
Martinez, Rafael 71 $22,000
Majid, Imran 75 $20,780
Walden, James 76 $20,580
Melling, Chris 81 $19,420
Kucharo, Jon 85 $18,353
Shaw, Jayson 94 $16,300
Heuwagen, Lee 96 $15,647
 
Scotty Scotland said:
.........I heard that KT has promised all first round Masters losers $6k to make up their earnings to the initially promised $13k. Will this figure definitely be reflected in the rankings?.......
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Have asked that question in these forums already and seems there's no definitive answer yet.

What was published appeared to say only that KT would sign a cheque to make up the difference between Us$13,000/- and what was actually earned in prize money by each player who participated in all events and won less than US$13,000/- in total in those events.

There is no reason to think that KT is going to give US$ 6,000/- to every card holder who gets knoocked out in the first round of the last event.That would be an entirely different concept altogether.

The wording they used also doesn't lead to a confident conclusion that the amount on KT's cheques would automatically count as prize money won for the purposes of rankings.To some of us it suggests the opposite but we'll see.However,in any case,for the purpose of speculation re who will retain tour cards,KT's consolation cheques 'making up differences' to US$ 13,000/- appears irrelevant because US$13,000/- total prize money isn't going to secure a 2007 card anyway:)
 
Ah, I see...the way I picked it up, first round losers in the Masters would pick up $6k instead of $3k. Your explanation makes much more sense, and Jaysons place in the top 100 looks more secure now.

I've updated the (unofficial) rankings, complete with highlighted qualifiers and everything, so I've tried to attach it to this thread. Inexperienced as I am with forums, however, I'm unsure if it'll work. Here goes...
 

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Scotty Scotland said:
Ah, I see...the way I picked it up, first round losers in the Masters would pick up $6k instead of $3k. Your explanation makes much more sense, and Jaysons place in the top 100 looks more secure now.......
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Making sense is not something I'm often accused of.......but it certainly seems logical to assume that the only players who are going to get 'compensation' from KT are those who have less than US13,000/- in total in winnings and have played in all in 3 events,so that would also exclude anyone who has missed one or more events yet plays the last one.In no circumstances will the 'ex gratia' amount given by KT bring any players earnings above US$13,000/- ,would think that at least is for sure.

Suppose it does marginally affect young Jason's chances of making it.Knowing his dad Charlie I also sincerely hope the lad and all the players get paid promptly their Reno winnings by 'check in the mail' which is what a poster in another forum has suggested is what has been promised by IPT instead of paying them at the venue (don't know anything about the truth of that post myself)........wouldn't fancy that particular bounty hunter on my trail ;) :)
 
oneballeddie said:
Qualfier Rank Prize Money
Nevel, Larry 23 $58,502
Alcano, Ronato 25 $56,854
Boyes, Karl 28 $50,905
Lining, Antonio 32 $43,030
Matlock, David 33 $42,920
Diks, Rico 34 $42,140
Kirkwood, Jason 35 $41,382
Luat, Rodolfo 36 $41,100
Engert, Thomas 42 $37,635
Tot, Sandor 45 $35,380
Hsia, Hui-Kai 47 $33,275
Jungo, Dimitri 49 $31,095
Harriman, Danny 51 $30,005
Moore, Steve 53 $28,900
Davies, Ben 55 $27,678
Sambajon, Santos 61 $25,485
Drago, Tony 62 $25,206
Martinez, Rafael 71 $22,000
Majid, Imran 75 $20,780
Walden, James 76 $20,580
Melling, Chris 81 $19,420
Kucharo, Jon 85 $18,353
Shaw, Jayson 94 $16,300
Heuwagen, Lee 96 $15,647
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So my question is, will these guys be awarded a tour card if they remain in the top 100?
it seems to me they will have more than earned it!
 
I also just checked over the schedule carefully and it looks like the Chicago event is for IPT tour card holders only. Most likely that will eliminate any of the top ranked qualifers from making the "King of the Hill" and they have to then win a Q'er to get into the Winn tourney to earn their card? how many will earn a card...50?

And is there an additional entry fee into that event??...I assume the bottom 50 IPT card holders are in. What if they choose not to play?
 
any of the players that qualified, and remain in the top 100 do not have to qualify and play in the 07 tour qualifier tournament. They will have earned their 07 card already...
 
cuechick said:
I also just checked over the schedule carefully and it looks like the Chicago event is for IPT tour card holders only. Most likely that will eliminate any of the top ranked qualifers from making the "King of the Hill" and they have to then win a Q'er to get into the Winn tourney to earn their card? how many will earn a card...50?

And is there an additional entry fee into that event??...I assume the bottom 50 IPT card holders are in. What if they choose not to play?
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Cuechick,you seem to be under a few posible misapprehensions,hope the following helps make it clearer for you:-

1. Although they will not play in the Chicago event (unless any are given a place as a replacement for any 2006 tour card holders who withdraw), a few of the currently highest placed qualifiers in fact already have enough prize money earnings to virtually guarantee that they will make it into the field for The King of The Hill event,barring a freak combination of results occuring in Chicago.

2. The Top 100 in The Money List as it stands after the Chicago event,including any qualifiers who are in the top 100 at that time,will be given 2007 tour cards.The King Of The Hill prize money earnings do not count for that purpose but even if those earnings did count it would make no difference cos if a player is in the field for The King of The Hill he obviously already has enough to guarantee a 2007 card anyway.

3. Another 50 tour cards for 2007 are up for grabs via the 2007 card qualifying system which culminates in the qualifying event finals at The Wynn in December.

4. Every 2006 card holder finishing outside the 2006 money list top 100, as it stands after the Chicago event, will be given automatic entry straight into to the 2007 tour card qualifying finals which will run concurrently with The King of The Hill at The Wynn in December,subject to them wanting to play in the first place and subject to them paying the US$2,000/- entry fee.There will probably be approximately 75/80 out of the 150 tour card holders who do not make the 2006 top 100.

5. The remainder of the field for the 2007 card qualifying event at The Wynn in December will be made up of the two winners of each of approximately 100 separate pre-qualifying double elimination knock out events being held worldwide betwen now and September.So the total field for The Wynn 2007 tour card qualifying final presently appears likely to be approximately somewhere between 250 and 280 or so.

6. "Qualifiers" (ie all those who do not have 2006 tour cards) who played in the Vegas and/or Reno 2006 tour events and who did not win enough prize money to finish in the money list top 100,as it stands after the Chicago event,would have to enter one of the 100 pre-qualifying events mentioned in (4) above and win a place that way in order to get into the 2007 tour qualifier final field for The Wynn in December.Obviously they too would have to pay the US$ 2,000/- entry fee just like every other pre-qualifying tourney entrant all around the world.
 
Scotty Scotland said:
Ah, I see...the way I picked it up, first round losers in the Masters would pick up $6k instead of $3k. Your explanation makes much more sense, and Jaysons place in the top 100 looks more secure now.

I've updated the (unofficial) rankings, complete with highlighted qualifiers and everything, so I've tried to attach it to this thread. Inexperienced as I am with forums, however, I'm unsure if it'll work. Here goes...
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wauw great job!! thanxs!
 
memikey said:
u:-

1. Although they will not play in the Chicago event (unless any are given a place as a replacement for any 2006 tour card holders who withdraw), a few of the currently highest placed qualifiers in fact already have enough prize money earnings to virtually guarantee that they will make it into the field for The King of The Hill event,barring a freak combination of results occuring in Chicago.
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Thanks for clearing that up, the only thing I think you might be wrong on is this, since according to the site, only the top 41 get invited to the King of the Hill. And if they can not play in Chicago, that may put quite a few in jeopardy of not making that event, no?
 
cuechick said:
Thanks for clearing that up, the only thing I think you might be wrong on is this, since according to the site, only the top 41 get invited to the King of the Hill. And if they can not play in Chicago, that may put quite a few in jeopardy of not making that event, no?
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If you read the bit you actually qouted again you will see that I said a few of the highest placed qualifiers.......barring a freak combination of results in Chicago.Since we all know that qualifiers cannot play in Chicago obviously I was talking about a freak combination of results/money earned by enough of the players in the group of tour members close enough in the money list to be able to overtake the presently highest placed qualifiers by virtue of their Chicago winnings.

IMHO simple mathematics dictate that Nevel,Alacano and Boyes are absolutely nailed on certainties to make the top 41,no realistic jeopardy to them at all.A few other qualifiers have a fighting chance depending upon which tour members reach the latter stages of the tournament in Chicago.
 
I would add Lining, Matlock & Diks to that. Kirkwood & Luat are "likelies" as well, with Engert and Tot having to sweat it out for their KOTH place.
 
..........and well done Sarah Ellerby, a definite top 100!! Of all the female IPT members, who thought the Fishers and Corrs would dominate? Well done Sarah, keep it going!!
 
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