IPT rule: slow nap cloth...

[pete lafond]

Getting on the right side of the OB is even more important on slow tables because recovery routes are going to be that much harder to manage.

So simply put, the person with the best stroke and most knowledge has an advantage on either type of table. Who would have thunk it?

I will agree with you now, it does make sense what you are saying. I guess I was only looking at it from the advantages of a fast cloth to the stronger players and missed the other side.

 

[vader93490]

Years back, that's all we had, was slower cloth. 19oz backed and unbacked up to 21oz..

blud

Blud, you brought up some memories for me. I came up on the slower cloth and you had to have a stroke in order to move the snow around the table, otherwise you were dead before you even got started. I wish more poolrooms carried it but unfortunately they don't. Nowadays pretty much every room I go into has either Simonis or Championship on their tables. I've never cared for either surface personally as they both play on the slippery side IMO, particularly the Simonis 760 surface.

I did run into an exception recently however. I walked into some hole in the wall last month and the cloth they had on their tables was disgusting. It looked like some of that old '60's shag carpet.

 

[unknownpro]

Personally, I'd much rather play on Simonis.

I agree. I think everyone has forgotten what a nightmare it is to play on old style cloth when it is brand new, and a cueball hitting the side rail at 45 degrees skids in a curving arc toward the bottom rail after impact. Simonis style cloth plays much more consistently, new or old, and I think benefits everyone.

A well broken in Simonis type cloth gives a great player access to so many ways to move the cueball, however, that I think it gives him a huge advantage, even though Earl and Tommy Kennedy, for two that I know of, disagree entirely.

unknownpro

 

[mnorwood]

Jam would agree.

I would like JAM to back me up on this statement: if the IPT delivers on the money that they claim, players like Buddy Hall will come out of the woodwork and play perfect 8ball no matter what the playing conditions conditions. Buddy Hall has a reputation for playing great 9ball on a wide range of equipment.

 

[SlimShafty]

I agree. I think everyone has forgotten what a nightmare it is to play on old style cloth when it is brand new, and a cueball hitting the side rail at 45 degrees skids in a curving arc toward the bottom rail after impact. Simonis style cloth plays much more consistently, new or old, and I think benefits everyone.

A well broken in Simonis type cloth gives a great player access to so many ways to move the cueball, however, that I think it gives him a huge advantage, even though Earl and Tommy Kennedy, for two that I know of, disagree entirely.

unknownpro

Of course everyone likes to play on Simonis 760 or 860, Simonis makes the game easer and makes the amateur sometimes look like a pro get out of position and fast cloth still gives you a way to get out. But you better plan way ahead on slow nap and have a sweet stroke, because your not going to finesse the ball around all the time on a slower cloth.

Most top pros would rather take on lesser skilled players on slow nap, so I agree with Earl, sure fast cloth gives pros more ways to get position, but it also lets the lesser skilled players get position much much easier than it would be for them on slow nap.

 

[mindtriplx]

i guess im just weird i play much better on slow tables. i can still play ok on the 860 but sometimes i dont know what do with all that extra speed. i guess its cuz ive mostly played on a very slow table in my house. its makes me pretty strong on a crappy bar table but it feels like im rolling the balls real slow on 860.

 

[unknownpro]

Of course everyone likes to play on Simonis 760 or 860, Simonis makes the game easer and makes the amateur sometimes look like a pro get out of position and fast cloth still gives you a way to get out. But you better plan way ahead on slow nap and have a sweet stroke, because your not going to finesse the ball around all the time on a slower cloth.

Most top pros would rather take on lesser skilled players on slow nap, so I agree with Earl, sure fast cloth gives pros more ways to get position, but it also lets the lesser skilled players get position much much easier than it would be for them on slow nap.

Fast cloth may make it easier for them to get back in line, but it makes it easier to get out of line too. I'm talking about Simonis with broken in rails that take a lot of spin. Spinning the cue ball around the table is what makes the best players the best, and slippery rails take away the ability to move the cue ball on a near straight shot along the rail. I'd be interested in the opinions of other power players like Shannon Daulton and Larry Nevel. Also Efren and Cliff Joyner who spin the ball so well.

unknownpro