He didn't say that (at least not in this thread).
Or you're wrong about all of this.
Lou didn't say that in this thread either.
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Is a Straight Stroke All That Important?
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I did not fail to read or comprehend it, it illustrates the fact that you only wish to respond to the part of my post that suits your agenda.
No, it's not. I have posted my views, rather than respond to them courteously, you chose to try to be patronising, when chastised for that you have repeatedly failed to give replies with any substance, that, is lack of the courage of your convictions.
In spades you say? From the man who does not wish to write a book? Why respond to a thread at all if you do not want to try to give answers?
I have certainly not asked for help and I do not wish to be given anything. Particularly by an instructor who will not stand by their theories in the face of slightly contradictory opinion from an amateur. It is clear to me now that you are unable to discredit anything in my first post, which is disappointing although as I said earlier, it is quite complex.
Once again twisting the words of the one part of my post you wish to focus on rather than try to justify your stance or contribute anything positive to what should be quite an interesting debate. Shame.
My post agreed with yours (but apparently in a different language).
pj <- no hablo
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lol. Yeah, I guess got that.
Lou Figueroa
That's another great point about the erratic movements until the final stroke. Come to think of it, some guys that shake, like Varner and Lane, shake and do all kinds of movements until they finally pull the trigger.
Lou Figueroa
Good post.
Two things;
1. I agree with your point on coaching generally, but think coaches can be useful to the more established player to iron out specific issues or flaws as they develop.
2. Following on from that, the reason aging snooker players 'fall off a cliff' can be as much to changing body shapes/muscle weakening as it is to eyesight or other priorities. Older players often have to completely redesign their stance in later life, and this is difficult. It can be a 'finger in the dyke' scenario - solving one problem creates another. Coaches can help here, I think.
But I don't like the idea of continuous, programmed coaching per se. Timing has been mentioned several times on this thread and it's good to see - it's perhaps the most important thing to master in cuesports and is rarely discussed on here, probably because it can't be taught.
I am very pro coaching, but the coach, for me, has to be able to do two things, firstly, properly explain what they are trying to achieve, and secondly, demonstrate.
I can't really argue with your post but the classic example for me is former world snooker champion Mark Williams. In terms of accuracy of ball striking there's not much that's any harder than snooker in terms of cue sports.
Williams always cued across everything and got to the very top. When he stopped practising he plummeted down the rankings he went from being one of the greatest potters ever to almost being out the game.
Why? His timing had gone. He has since put the hours in and got back to the top, he has gotten to the top twice without a straight cue action.
One of the greatest triumphs of coaching is the job that Frank Callan did with Doug Mountjoy in his later years, that's well worth looking up. The job Ray Reardon did with Ronnie was also spectacular but that was mental rather than physical.
The fact is that when Tiger was the best player in the world, he saw his coach almost weekly, golf though is generally better money and therefore populated by more professional people and more professional coaches than our games.
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oh, don't worry about it, dkleather, you should take him on. I was surprised when I learned Neil was an instructor too. Had a good laugh about that
Lou Figueroa
Suppose he has speed control on a slow bar box and tries to play on, say, a heated, newly recovered snooker table?
Speed is just another variable
That's not what I'm saying -- I'm saying that different mechanical setups will govern how well you can execute speed control.
Lou Figueroa
Please expound on "different mechanical setups' and how they change the stroke
Neil, it is my thread. I have told you that it is not about instructors or instruction. If you can't accept that at face value, I have to ask you to leave it alone. And if you have the need, go start a thread of your own about how Lou Figueroa Is Anti-Instructor and leave this one alone.
As to your other point: I used to play a guy all the time who could, literally, blow the dust off his case and give me 9-7. The reason I suck when I lay off from pool for a few days is that I am just an average Joe. I don't have my own table, I play, maybe 10-15 hours a week, and then I go and jump off the deep end and play in the US Open or the DCC. Never, not once, have I claimed to be a great player. I'm just an average player who likes to write about the trials and tribulations of trying to play this game.
Over the years, many, many, many guys have written about how they can identify with my struggles, something I've learned along the way, an occasional insight I can share, or how something I've written just "rings true" because I can put a sentence or two together about what it's like to try and try to play pool, a tremendously difficult game, a little better one day than the day before.
That's it. That's what it's about.
Lou Figueroa
The little dance every player does to get into shooting position and create their stroke matters. And there endless permutations of that dance.
Lou Figueroa
Since this has gravitated somewhat into a discussion about instruction, I recently took a couple lessons from Babe Thompson. In the nineties sometime he came down with some disease that causes his hands to shake, severely, to the point of being almost painful to watch. but when showing me examples of what he was teaching, he could still make the shots.
There are different straight strokes. Some give a player better speed control than others. It's one reason why one day you can run 60's and 80's and the next can't bust 20.
Lou Figueroa
No. it's not about instruction. If you want to talk about that I'd ask you start your own thread about it.
Lou Figueroa
I'm saying there are different straight strokes -- like say there are different Cabernets. IOW, you can stroke straight all kinds of different ways, but some will give you less or better speed control. Some taste better too
Lou Figueroa
Everything changes everything: footwork, grips, head height, shoulder, elbow, wrist position, head height, bridge length....
Lou Figueroa
just for starters
You read it again. It doesn't say what you claimed.
Changing the subject won't work with me, Neil. We were talking about your constant chip-on-the-shoulder posting attitude.
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