Is billiards the toughest sport?

JDB said:
How is that different than golf? You can be doing everything perfectly with a one stroke lead and shank one shot, make bogie or worse, and lose.

I don't see much of a difference.

I do agree with your other point, however, that pool is one of the only games that you can lose without ever having a shot.

well technically in pool you can be playing perfectly and still lose without making any mistakes. i dont believe that is the case in golf.

and lol at whoever said running a rack is a perfect game. that would be like saying making par on one hole in golf is a perfect game.

i would also like to point out that becasue the game of golf has more variables, does not necessarily mean that it is more complex or difficult. for example, lets take a look at the board games go and chess, while chess has a great deal of different pieces and corresponding moves, go is simple, you only put 1 piece down on any space on the board you like. despite this, super computers from a decade ago can beat the best chess players in the world, whereas average amateur go players will make even the most powerful go programs look like a joke on a small 9x9 board, on a full size 19x19 board it wont even be competitive. i would go so far as to say that making something simpler makes it more difficult to master.
 
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Masayoshi said:
well technically in pool you can be playing perfectly and still lose without making any mistakes.
Yes, and that is where I agree with him in my second point. In pool it is possible, but unlikely, that you can lose a race without ever being able to shoot.

If you have a shot, any shot, and lose, you didn't play perfectly by the pure definition of perfect.
 
Masayoshi said:
well technically in pool you can be playing perfectly and still lose without making any mistakes. i dont believe that is the case in golf.

and lol at whoever said running a rack is a perfect game. that would be like saying making par on one hole in golf is a perfect game.

LOL all you want at running a rack....you can't do any better in a game of pool. So, to compare - you'd have to go with an ace (hole in one), cuz you can't do any better on a hole....you can do better than a par. sorry. A round of golf (or a game if you want to put it that way) is 18 holes. A game of pool - depending on the game is making so many balls (or one particular ball). Sure, you can win a game of 9 ball with the break, but you don't end a round of golf with a hole in one on the first hole. So, my analogy of a perfect game of pool is not missing and winning (whether it be a run-out or win on the break) stands. You can't even say that 18 under par is a perfect game of golf....it's not perfect, and can be beaten.
 
There are sports out there apart from American Football, Baseball, Basketball etc.

How about Squash, Rugby Union / League, Cricket?

Squash you need to be super fit to play, you need to be tough as nails to play both Rugby codes, so much more than NFL, and Cricket needs that mental endurance to bat at the crease for days on end.
 
I have had this argument many times. In golf it is harder to get to a respectable level than pool (I am a 12 handicap) and if you are off I think it shows more. In pool it is easier to get started. However when you are playing pool at a high level you have less margin for error than golf, I mean you can miss your approach and recover but in pool if you miss a shot you are at the mercy of your'e opponent. I think golf is harder to maintain a high level of play as the hand--eye coordination is more precise. I wish I had time to practice a lot in even one of these games as I love them both but I don't get to play any these days.
 
be honest with yourselves

a high level of proficieny in billiards can be achieved by almost anyone, kids, women, old folk, etc....

pool rooms are full of those who fail at everything else in life, can't keep jobs, can't keep women, can't play sports, can't do anything but shoot pool
 
The short answer is, you'll get a different answer depending on which forum you're in.

I bowled throughout my teens, been playing pool since I was 15, played organized basketball in my 20s, and trained in boxing, Muai Thai, Jiu Jitsu and Kali in my 30s, and for years I even played Quake 3 Arena online against people all around the world. It's difficult to make a fair comparison among them because they are so diverse.

Some of what I've done are more game than athletics and vice-versa, but you could make a case that all I've listed are sports. All are difficult to become proficient in. Every sport has their Mosconi, Tiger, Michael, Ali, Laver, Gracie, Senna, Kaoklai or Fatal1ty.

But getting cracked ribs or my elbow dislocated in grappling, pummeled, bloodied and knocked down in boxing or Muay Thai and getting bashed by a hard stick in Kali/Escrima and getting bloody hands even while wearing a hockey glove, and almost passing-out three four times from just the training skew my opinion towards the combat sports. During the years I was training in those sports I was always injured, participating in pain, and sometimes not participating because I got injured form the training. It's funny when you get your elbow popped, and the people next to you stop and look at you because it was loud enough for them to hear.

I realize it doesn't make sense to compare the practice and drilling involved with pool or even golf to the drilling, sparring and cardio involved with boxing or MMA. They're two completely different animals. However, in all sports, game or athletics, interactive or solo there is psychology, strategy, difficult training and tactical adaptibility during the heat of competition.

But combat sports also induce an element of fear. Fear or anxiety is something most people experience before engaging in any type of competition. But if you're preparing to step into a ring or octagon knowing you may be seriously injured, in front of a lot of screaming fans that does something to you, in a primal way.

Maybe Daryl Peach knows something about that after his experience in the last WPC, heheh.

I used to work for a guy that was a +1.8 golfer that tied a course record with a 62. He was also a bowler, shot pool and played middle linebacker in high school. We used to discuss this very topic all the time, and it always came down to that each person depending on their background and bias would have a different answer.

I imagine the synchronized swimmers' forum will say their sport is the toughest, despite what Martin Short and Harry Shearer have to say. :D
 
BPG24 said:
This is funny!!!

You picked a sport that is only about 1/20th as hard as MMA.

what's funny is that you're a TUF noob and probably don't know the first thing about mma

switch of spike tv, TRAIN both sports a little bit and get back to me noob
 
Golf?? Baseball??

Any sport that requires an exceptional eye hand coordination is going to be very tough.

However, I disagree a little that golf is a tougher sport than Pool.

I played Golf for years. Not to brag, but to explain my position...I was a 3 handicap and I am talking on tough, tough pro length courses. I drove the ball long (300 +), I hit the ball straight and was a decent putter. I literally could pick out a spot on the fairway or green and hit within 15ft of it most of the time. Another year or two and some slight improvement in my putting game and who knows where I would be today. Then a shoulder injury removed me from the sport forever. It was a tough pill to swallow.

Fortunately, the injury was not bad enough to take me away from my second love...Pool. IMHO, I have to say of the the two...Pool is definitely tougher and I believed this then and I stll believe this today.

I Look at it this way..

Golf- You can make 3 bad shots on one hole and still make par

Baseball- You get three strikes before you are out and 3 outs to end an inning and 9 innings to end the game.

Football- You can screw up 3 times and still make one good play and get a first down or a touchdown

POOL- You miss 3 shots and you are out of the match and maybe the tournament.

Hockey- I guess we can't forget hockey though. One puck shot in the donut hole makes it real tough to eat and you have to remove your teeth to brush them for the rest of your life. That would suck pretty bad.

Okay, Hockey is the toughest sport!! LOL
 
Hockey gets overlooked but it's up there since skating requires a complete change in body mechanics, taking the skating out the equation for floor hockey and the sport becomes more simple

lose your member and you're ready for field hockey
 
ugotda8 said:
Any sport that requires an exceptional eye hand coordination is going to be very tough.

However, I disagree a little that golf is a tougher sport than Pool.

I played Golf for years. Not to brag, but to explain my position...I was a 3 handicap and I am talking on tough, tough pro length courses. I drove the ball long (300 +), I hit the ball straight and was a decent putter. I literally could pick out a spot on the fairway or green and hit within 15ft of it most of the time. Another year or two and some slight improvement in my putting game and who knows where I would be today. Then a shoulder injury removed me from the sport forever. It was a tough pill to swallow.

Fortunately, the injury was not bad enough to take me away from my second love...Pool. IMHO, I have to say of the the two...Pool is definitely tougher and I believed this then and I stll believe this today.

I Look at it this way..

Golf- You can make 3 bad shots on one hole and still make par

Baseball- You get three strikes before you are out and 3 outs to end an inning and 9 innings to end the game.

Football- You can screw up 3 times and still make one good play and get a first down or a touchdown

POOL- You miss 3 shots and you are out of the match and maybe the tournament.

Hockey- I guess we can't forget hockey though. One puck shot in the donut hole makes it real tough to eat and you have to remove your teeth to brush them for the rest of your life. That would suck pretty bad.

Okay, Hockey is the toughest sport!! LOL

but making par isn't gonna get you anywhere at top levels (unless it's a tricked up US OPEN course - lol). Sure there are a gazillion golfers out there that love to be able to shoot even par, but let's say at a pro level, most are unhappy with all pars. As for hockey....I'd say the shrinkage factor makes it a tough sport....I'm not playing anything that requires me to be on ICE. :p
 
smashmouth said:
what's funny is that you're a TUF noob and probably don't know the first thing about mma

switch of spike tv, TRAIN both sports a little bit and get back to me noob


LOL

You call me a noob because I say that boxing isn't as tough as MMA,
I think it's obvious who the noob is. You can assume all you want to, it only makes you look STUPID. i don't watch Spike TV much at all

By the way, has anyone informed you about boxing being only 1 of the many disciplines in MMA? :rolleyes:
 
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ugotda8. Interesting analysis.

I do think in all sporting competitions there are times when one mistake is the difference in the outcome, and there are also times when both sides seem like they're trying to out-boner each other.

I believe the final of the last 14.1 World Championhips was error-filled with Ortmann finally surviving. And the final of the 2007 WPC between Daryl Peach and Roberto Gomez was anything but flawless. Then again, Niels Feijen hardly got to the table against Gomez in the final 16.

In boxing, if one or both fighters are big punchers, one mistake could end the night instantly. But if both punch like Hannah Montana and have chins like Marvelous Marvin Hagler or George Chuvalo, then we could be in for a long, mistake-ridden, fun-filled evening of powder-puff punching and grimacing, heheh.
 
I've never played ice hockey or even been on skates, but when I watch an ice hockey game, I'm always amazed. Strength, speed, skill and finesse all in one.
 
trustyrusty said:
but making par isn't gonna get you anywhere at top levels (unless it's a tricked up US OPEN course - lol). Sure there are a gazillion golfers out there that love to be able to shoot even par, but let's say at a pro level, most are unhappy with all pars. As for hockey....I'd say the shrinkage factor makes it a tough sport....I'm not playing anything that requires me to be on ICE. :p


This is a great point rusty.

I have a good friend that plays on a pro golf tour in Florida. (basically equivalent to Single A Baseball) This tour is nowhere near PGA level play.
He shot -4 (68) yesterday and is 4 shots off the lead. Par is not the goal in golf. the goal is to get the ball in the hole in a few strokes a possible. You have to battle lot's of opponents in golf not just one, or a few like in pool tournaments

On a side note, I see that many of you guys seem to think that 1 bad shot can't cause you to lose in golf. That proves you know nothing about top level golf. Tiger was interviewed yesterday after his round, they asked him how much difference there was between a guy who wins a tournament and a guy that finished T10 or worse. He said 1 or 2 shots is the difference.
1 shot in golf can cost you 3 strokes or more and if it's match play it costs you one hole or more the whole match if you are playing carry overs.
 
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tough sport

I can hardly breath after running my 3miles each day , before i start bu practice of pool. HA not really tough sport when you are setting in chaire, as your opponent runs out on you!!:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
stick8 said:
I can hardly breath after running my 3miles each day , before i start bu practice of pool. HA not really tough sport when you are setting in chaire, as your opponent runs out on you!!:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

Heheh, you gotta a point. Maybe the title should be "Golf and Pool the Most FRUSTRATING Sports.
 
trustyrusty said:
but making par isn't gonna get you anywhere at top levels (unless it's a tricked up US OPEN course - lol). Sure there are a gazillion golfers out there that love to be able to shoot even par, but let's say at a pro level, most are unhappy with all pars.

I believe you missed his point. He isn't saying that par is good enough to win pro golf tournaments, he's saying that the margin for error in golf is greater than in pool. In golf you can make three poor shots on a hole and still scramble to make par, which means those three poor shots did not cost you the tournament. In pool if you make three poor shots in a match (and sometimes fewer than that), it can cost you the match and the tournament. I believe golf is the physically more difficult sport, but that there is more pressure at the top level in pool than in golf because mistakes in pool are much more costly than in golf.
 
PoolBum said:
I believe you missed his point. He isn't saying that par is good enough to win pro golf tournaments, he's saying that the margin for error in golf is greater than in pool. In golf you can make three poor shots on a hole and still scramble to make par, which means those three poor shots did not cost you the tournament. In pool if you make three poor shots in a match (and sometimes fewer than that), it can cost you the match and the tournament. I believe golf is the physically more difficult sport, but that there is more pressure at the top level in pool than in golf because mistakes in pool are much more costly than in golf.



That is NOT true. I explained why in my last post
 
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