Is it just me, or are most sellers having trouble selling their cues on here?

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The FOR SALE section main problem is dealers or frequent sellers who try to sell at a high price then keep on bumping. This bumping will last from months to years!

The FOR SALE section should have a automatic delete when the views get to 3000. The seller should realize at this point that his price is to high for the market. I would like to see the cue reduced by 25% at 3000 views.

Seeing cue views at 3k, 4k, 5k views should be a sign of an overpriced cue and seller.
 
my 2 cents, people are looking to see if "the one" cue they want might be listed. The services offered here don't have enough assurance. You want to buy a cue without having a chance to see it in person, inspect it, hit with it etc. The rating system helps but I feel more confident buying from a reputable seller and having some buyer protections.
 
I just bought and sold a cue on AZ in the last week. When i was able to get the cue I wanted at a lower price, I just lowered my asking price and quickly sold my cue. This was after 1200 views.

Some of the issues I see as problems to the cue market here:

Lots of cue choices available, many good cues to chose from.

Not realitic pricing of used cues.

Some bad stories of people getting ripped off.

Not being able to handle and try the cue first hand.

Still a very soft economy overall. People just don;t have money to burn on new toys.

AZ is still not a forum where you can buy with confidence. Unless the sellers have stellar i-traders, it's hard to take a chance on a new member. I believe sellers and maybe buyers as well, need some how to be qualified to transact a deal.

JMHO
 
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I actually see more new posts on the Facebook billiards market than I do here typically and by guy that used to post here. Now they seem to post the majority of their items on Open Billiards Market. Seem to see more sell as well.
 
2 points to make:
First - regarding the Jacoby cue in question - I am the original owner of that cue. At the time I purchased it Jacoby was still a lesser known shop nationally. No edge hybrids, not a high volume of production cues. Loved the way it looked and loved that it was of 6. I had it for 3 or 4 years and I took a beating on that cue. In the interim David starting cranking out limited editions, and took his fancy cues to the next level. This diminished the value of a numbered cue, and suddenly the formerly 'fancy' design wasn't so fancy. In addition he had ramped up volume on the production cue side - for lack of a better term I will call this 'the Dale Perry effect' (Jacoby didn't sell on ebay but the similarities are there) I would recommend you continue to use it as your daily player, and look for trades for the cue you really want, as a cash sale probably isn't going to bring in what you want for it.

Second, I think the cue market is low at the moment because you have a lot of quality shops turning out great cues at certain price points. Then you have other shops turning out cues that are similar at a higher price point, due to cost, fame, or other factors. Unless a consumer can see the value added by buying a cue form the latter group - they will buy the former, why spend more for essentially the same thing? Some of these makers are victims of their own success.
 
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I think some of the issue is a ripple effect from the rule changes that eliminated the educational posts of the For Sale section.... yes we had to wade through the GLWS posts that bumped the threads, but there were important educational nuggets hidden in some of the posts that many people used to increase their own knowledge or opinions... that traffic is now gone... those were shoppers just trying to figure out what they liked and why... and at what value... which could take years. There had to be a better way to deal with the abuse issues.... I fear it may be too late to get it right.

The faucet was turned off....

I know there have been several threads dealing with the various issues (I have not read them) but I do know my personal story.

If there have been more rule changes, I haven't been following them.... I know that I do not go to the For Sale section on a daily basis any more. I lost the yearn to learn.
 
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Most of us already have a "few" cues and just browse the sale forum. That's my story anyway. I don't "collect" cues. When I own 4 playing cues, not much is going to entice me. Nothing wrong with jacoby.

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Bottom Line Is Too Many Sellers Misjudge......

First of all, no one likes the idea of losing money when selling one of their pool cues, especially if they paid a lot.

Secondly, nearly all sellers think their cue is special, plays great and their cue-maker walks on water.

Thirdly, everybody today is a cynic and critic and the comments being posted on sale threads reflect that attitude.

Lastly, everybody has an opinion even if and when the individual is totally ignorant about what they write or speak.


Great cues invariably sell......great cues command the highest prices..........great cues are always in demand........the problem is there's widespread disagreement about
what's a great cue with the Az community that's has some knowledgeable cue enthusiasts but is overcrowded with folks knowing very little about cue-making or great cue-makers.

The challenge today for sellers is to see the resale market realistically and assign a value to your cue that coincides and reflects the condition and demand of the secondary marketplace.
Sellers: "There will always be browsers & buyers that do not like your cue or its price."..........Buyers" "There will always be sellers that exaggerate and over-rate their cue's condition and cue-maker."

Do not let your profit motives, or your "cue" ego ruin any potential sale of your pool cues........just try to be realistic if you can.

Matt B.
 
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justinb386 said:
The cue that I have been trying to sell is limited edition Jacoby, and only 6 of them were made, but I assume that it is still considered a production cue, and on top of that, it does not have sharp points (which I assume hurts the value even more). I put a price on the cue (which is less then half of its original retail value), and I think it is a fair price, but the cue does need a refinish. Maybe the cue would get some interest if I get it refinished, but I think not, since I have not even received 1 cash offer in the week that I have had it listed on here (bumping the thread every 48 hours). So was just curious if most other sellers (on here) are probably also not receiving offers on their cues. I am thinking that I would have to price the cue at 25% of its original retail value to be able to get it sold quickly. I see sneaky pete cues for sale on here for not much less (and some for a lot more) then what I am asking for my cue. I do not know. Maybe my cue is not as valuable as I thought it was. I guess auctioning it off on ebay (7 day auction) with a starting bid of a penny it would show its true value (in todays used pool cue market). I might never receive a cash offer for it on here, and I get the feeling that bumping my thread is just a waste of space on here. I had I think 6 or 7 very high end Chad Carter cues for sale or trade listed on here (I was not the owner of them by the way, and was listing them for a local dealer), and I bumped that thread for months without even 1 interested buyer or trader. Also had a really nice Omen listed on here for what I thought was a very fair price, and I bumped that thread for months with no interest from anyone. It is funny, because I have received a few PM's within the last year (and it has been around a year and a half since I listed the cues on here) from people that were Interested in the Carter cues, and I had not bumped those threads since before last August. I assume that only well known cues from elite cue makers ever get sold on here, or low end production cues for dirt cheap. Ebay seems like the best option for the seller that needs to sell their cues ASAP.
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As a buyer, I would suggest that a production cue that is a few years old but in good shape should be priced around 50% of its original value. One that needs to be refinished should definitely be cheaper in my mind. If I buy a cue, I would prefer that it is in ready to go shape. The only way I buy one that is not so, is if I am getting a really good deal on it. Just my opinion.
 
if you want to sell a production cue you have to price it right. simple as that.
also list the price you paid or the price they currently sell for and be honest, and your price so people can compare. you are not going to trick anyone into paying more thant it is worth. and what you think it is worth isnt reality in many cases.

do the same with a custom cue.

people buying off the web are taking a gamble with their money. you have to compensate them for that with a good price.

it also helps to have a good rating. be ready to give your real name and address and phone number, get the same from the buyer and guarantee full return rights if they dont like it. same as if you were in a pool room, you woudlnt expect someone to buy your cue and not shoot with it.
 
More good cues than buyers, nothing more, nothing less. As with the antiques and collectibles markets, the newer/younger generation in America just does not care very much for 'collectible value' in most things. They see things more 'for use' only. What younger pool players there are, are fine with production stuff and gimmicky shafts. And oddly still, seems like there is a new custom maker coming onto the scene every week. Still some blue chip cues to be had out there, though. The market may never again be what it was in 2000-2008.

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cueaddicts said:
More good cues than buyers, nothing more, nothing less. As with the antiques and collectibles markets, the newer/younger generation in America just does not care very much for 'collectible value' in most things. They see things more 'for use' only. What younger pool players there are, are fine with production stuff and gimmicky shafts. And oddly still, seems like there is a new custom maker coming onto the scene every week. Still some blue chip cues to be had out there, though. The market may never again be what it was in 2000-2008.
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Very well said.
 
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