Is sandbagging the worst in pool vs other sports?

It would be nice if we could have levels for the teams/ players like other recreational sports do. Softball, basketball, paintball, bike racing, just to name a few have multiple divisions. You win and you move up. Last place you move down. Last sport that I was heavily involved with was Mountainbike racing. You got a license and were slotted then moved up or down according to your results. The payouts were based on the divisions as well so that the higher divisions got more payouts and prizes. Made for an incentive to move up not sandbag and try to cheat your way to the money. Not that there weren't some who got away with it, they just didn't last as long as they do in Pool.
Thats why, even though I don't have a chance I like playing in open non handicapped events. As long as there is a handicap and money there will always be lowlifes gaming the system.
 
It would be nice if we could have levels for the teams/ players like other recreational sports do. Softball, basketball, paintball, bike racing, just to name a few have multiple divisions. You win and you move up. Last place you move down. Last sport that I was heavily involved with was Mountainbike racing. You got a license and were slotted then moved up or down according to your results. The payouts were based on the divisions as well so that the higher divisions got more payouts and prizes. Made for an incentive to move up not sandbag and try to cheat your way to the money. Not that there weren't some who got away with it, they just didn't last as long as they do in Pool.
Thats why, even though I don't have a chance I like playing in open non handicapped events. As long as there is a handicap and money there will always be lowlifes gaming the system.

Yep, I would like to see even race tournaments restricted to levels but with higher prizes for the higher ranks with the lower ranks done more for recreation and training to go up to the higher tier tournaments. I'm sure there are people with low enough morals to cheat C players out of $50 by trying never to move up but it's probably not nearly as compelling as playing as a C in an event where you can get hundreds for winning and a calcutta to boot. There was a Bud tour not long ago in my area with a $5,000 first prize. Both first and second place players were in there as one level off their actual skill. There is also a guy ranked in the low 500s Fargo that plays in and cashes or wins a lot of handicapped tournaments, yet has not gone up, still put in at that low rating in all the events. It's just embarrassing.
 
It would be nice if we could have levels for the teams/ players like other recreational sports do. Softball, basketball, paintball, bike racing, just to name a few have multiple divisions. You win and you move up. Last place you move down. Last sport that I was heavily involved with was Mountainbike racing. You got a license and were slotted then moved up or down according to your results. The payouts were based on the divisions as well so that the higher divisions got more payouts and prizes. Made for an incentive to move up not sandbag and try to cheat your way to the money. Not that there weren't some who got away with it, they just didn't last as long as they do in Pool.
Thats why, even though I don't have a chance I like playing in open non handicapped events. As long as there is a handicap and money there will always be lowlifes gaming the system.
Mountian biking is awesome! That sport has really blown up since it began not to long ago. LOL I just dated myself lol! I am 52 now. Do you still ride?

I did USCF Road cycling for years. I had some pretty wild times doing that and some really scary unpleasant ones. I also had some miserable times training and racing too.

They have a good system but there is gamesman ship there too on the local and state level. Really strong Cat III's will often ride in the III-IV races instead of the 1,2,3 fields because it is easier and they may get into the prizes. I was a 3 with aspirations so I usually did both. If it was a criterium I would ride in both events sometimes. Really big events often had Public, Cat 4, cat 3, and then cat 123-pro fields for men. Now there is a Cat 5 as well. The biggest events sometimes had a top tier race that was only 1,2 pro riders That shit was hard. Don't really miss it.

Worst:

Public-5
cat 4
cat 3
cat 2
cat 1-pro
National tour level types

Best:
 
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Mountian biking is awesome! That sport has really blown up since it began not to long ago. LOL I just dated myself lol! I am 52 now. Do you still ride?

I did USCF Road cycling for years. I had some pretty wild times doing that and some really scary unpleasant ones. I also had some miserable times training and racing too.

They have a good system but there is gamesman ship there too on the local and state level. Really strong Cat III's will often ride in the III-IV races instead of the 1,2,3 fields because it is easier and they may get into the prizes. I was a 3 with aspirations so I usually did both. If it was a criterium I would ride in both events sometimes. Really big events often had Public, Cat 4, cat 3, and then cat 123-pro fields for men. Now there is a Cat 5 as well. The biggest events sometimes had a top tier race that was only 1,2 pro riders That shit was hard. Don't really miss it.

Worst:

Public-5
cat 4
cat 3
cat 2
cat 1-pro
National tour level types

Best:
I do, but I don't race anymore. The XC scene has kinda died. Everyone is doing Enduros these day's. I did a few and they are a blast but family and money just won't allow me to chase that sport anymore. Good Enduro bikes are north of 8k nowadays and parts are stupid expensive. Racing Enduro's comes with replacing parts after almost every race now. Plus hucking myself off the big drops and jumps on some of these courses up here in the Northeast isn't really for me at my age anymore. I need to get to work on Monday's to support the family. Laying in the hospital bed after a weekend of racing just doesn't cut it with the wife anymore.
Yes there is definitely sandbagging in racing as well. Just seems to be managed a little better that's all.
 
Sandbaggers often beat themselves when the chips are down and I find that extremely funny!
I was trying to read an opponent's level at a local watering hole. It was just a casual game and I wasn't out for blood or anything, the only thing I had to lose was quarters for table time. Well, I was kind of cruising along, in sandbag mode, and he just gave me a whipping. By the time I realized this guy was a threat, I couldn't switch gears fast enough to win the race. I got a laugh at myself for what I had let happen. I guess it would be better to watch them play from the sidelines to figure their level. Once you're at the table with them, you gotta stomp the gas if you have to win. Sometimes it can be a fun challenge to "just" beat someone at the table, but why play headgames with yourself if you're not trying to hustle someone out of a few bucks? I had been reading books about road players who would try to lure some suckers in and rob them. I wasn't trying to rob anybody so why play games? My head wasn't right and had found a "fun" way of playing pretend to amuse myself and lost the game.

I would never sandbag on a league or tournament setting. I'm there to do my best and improve myself. So what if I go up a level and have to play harder to win? We play for a challenge don't we? As long as I keep focus, my mind isn't the weak spot in my game. I can adapt to any challenge on the table mentally, but I'm still working on getting the rest of my body to the point it can keep up with my head. Forcing my body to do tougher things only helps. I've never seen a body builder who only uses 5# dumbbells. They push themselves to the breaking point and it only improves their muscles.

Sandbagging hurts yourself because it never puts you into a situation where you have to really bear down to win. Trying to cheat the system for an advantage and play handicapping lawyer is just mental masturbation. They don't have their mind developed and in the right place to actually want the thrill of winning. They are scared of winning by simply playing their best, so they try to stack the deck in their favor so they can still win at a subpar personal level of play. Not me, I want to play better players and pull myself up from a bloody heap on the floor and still win. Sure I might still lose but hopefully the other guy is at least winded. :)

Do I still lose? Of course I do! But losing while being fully lucid at the table and playing to win will teach you more than thinking you lost due to sandbagging or bad rolls, etc. Own your own mind and game at the table. If it disappoints you, that's the first step to becoming a real player. You can't be in denial, you gotta accept that and jump into the forge. No piece of metal became steel without taking a beating from the blacksmith's hammer first.

Blaming sandbagging opponents for a loss is as stupid as saying you lost because of bad luck. Bad luck is between your ears, not on the cloth. Develop some mental toughness and welcome the heat of the forge and the hammer, you're gonna end up much stronger that way. Excuses are just the first sign that you enjoy and want to be a loser. Own it and get to work.
 
Anything with money and/or handicap will include sandbagging...
This is exactly right. As a side note, I was watching football last night and the kicker missed his second easy field goal of the night and didn't cover the over. If you bet on others, sometimes you will get burnt. Sometimes there will be corruption. Never be surprised by the greed of humans. If you want control of a bet, always play by your rules and bet on yourself. Never forget the Chicago "Black Sox"...say it ain't so Joe. There have been point-shaving in everything that is bet on. We've seen it in horse racing, college basketball, baseball, bowling, pool, and especially boxing. It's not the sport that is bad, it's the people who surround it. It's human nature.
 
I do, but I don't race anymore. The XC scene has kinda died. Everyone is doing Enduros these day's. I did a few and they are a blast but family and money just won't allow me to chase that sport anymore. Good Enduro bikes are north of 8k nowadays and parts are stupid expensive. Racing Enduro's comes with replacing parts after almost every race now. Plus hucking myself off the big drops and jumps on some of these courses up here in the Northeast isn't really for me at my age anymore. I need to get to work on Monday's to support the family. Laying in the hospital bed after a weekend of racing just doesn't cut it with the wife anymore.
Yes there is definitely sandbagging in racing as well. Just seems to be managed a little better that's all.
Enduros...........that is crazy stuff!! I have seen some of that on TV and the Web.

I hear you on the real world interfering with the hobbys!! That is pretty much what brought my racing and stuff to an end. I piddle on a mountain bike some. I am also working on getting my old racing bikes cleaned up and rideable again. They are ancient by todays standards but I think it will be fun to cruise the neighborhood on them some.

I do agree The Sandbagging is policed better in cycling.
 
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