I've never seen THIS before,maybe you have?

Tommy-D

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> I recently made a post about the Spider Web cue I bought,and said it had a nice,tight wrap. Oh,man was I WRONG! I have only played with it for about an hour,and only hit 3 balls with it before buying it and didn't see anything obviously wrong. Last night after work I went home and got it,and went to just hit some balls with it before I changed tips and slicked the wrap up like I wanted. I broke several racks with it,and it felt great other than the tip sucked. The last rack I broke something strange happened. I felt something shift in my grip hand. Perplexed,I started taking a much closer look at it. When it happened,it felt like something twisted,like the A joint had failed or maybe the butt sleeve. It felt solid upon inspection. I grabbed the wrap in the same place I normally grip it when breaking,and placed my other hand just above the wrap and tried to unscrew it,and poof,it happened again,so I left right then and went home to really take a look at it. Under a bright light,I found that the twisting was a 4" wide section of the wrap was moving as a singular unit,the glue under the wrap had failed,but that glue broke loose from the wood even though it was still holding the linen together as a solid tube,it also looked and felt like some kind of sealer or sprayed finish had been applied,helping it stay together. I carefully injected some wood glue under the linen with a printer cartridge ink syringe,and twisted it back in place as best I could. There were 2 single strands that broke free from the twisting,one on each end,so I took a small block of wood and eventually got them worked down pretty flat again. I let this dry for over an hour,while I retipped and cleaned both shafts,and ate. When I came back to it,I spun the butt and lightly sprayed it with water,and wiped as much of the excess glue as I could off the wrap. I then lightly repressed it with 2 slick maple boards I ran across by accident,they are about 3/16 thick and 1 1/4 wide by about 10 inches long. I have used these on the wrap on my Schon and a couple other cues,never had a lick of trouble,and the boards have no sharp edges or burrs on them. It even left a really nice shine in most cases. I continued by sanding the entire wrap with 400 until I couldn't feel the strands any more,polished with 600, and got ready to repress it again after spraying with starch. I started as close to the top of the wrap as possible without risking finish damage,and started to move backwards down the cue. I got about 2 inches to my right of the starting point,but well before I got to the previous repair,and the damndest thing happened. The board must have developed a splinter or sharp edge somehow,because a single strand broke loose,snapped,hung up in the board and unraveled the first 3 inches of wrap,all the way to the end. This gave me a fishing reel type snarl,only spinning at 1500 RPM. It looked like the cue grew an Afro. I was amazed at this,because I wasn't really squashing the boards into the wrap,just enough to burnish it back to a nice healthy shine,and I looked at the boards with a jewelers loupe and felt around on it and found nothing that could have snagged it,so help me out here. Once I got the rest of the wrap off,I saw that there was very little glue residue left on the wood from the original wrap installation,most of it was from the repair I did earlier. I'm guessing there wasn't a whole lot of glue there to start with,or the section in the middle wouldn't have shifted. Now,before I can play with this cue more to decide if I like it well enough to keep or even sell it,it will have to be re-wrapped. I have a single spool of white with black spot Blue Mountain,but have yet to do a linen wrap,because I don't have a wrapping motor. The slowest speed on my lathe without serious experimentation is 800 RPM,at that speed I can see the cord being pulled right through my finger,bone and all. Even though I am not the original owner of this cue,would this be covered as faulty workmanship and replaced,and would I even be right in asking Bill Webb about it? The only thing positive about this is I now know how he assembles his cues. Under the wrap,there is a very large (1 1/2 long) black phenolic ring that is partially used as the C trim ring right above the wrap,and turned down to a shoulder for the wrap groove,and a shorter but similar ring at the bottom of the wrap,partially used as the D ring. The wood grip section is 6 ply radial laminated maple or birch. I can't tell if the forearm is cored or not,or what type of internal connection screw was used. Anyone? Tommy D.
 
Tommy, I think it is time you rigged a wrap motor with a foot switch for your lathe. Go for it. Wrapping cues is fun.

I have had that happen before and you are correct in thinking it was glue failure.
It cant hurt to call the cuemaker and ask him about it.
He may fix it for you at no cost.

Willee
 
Wrap trouble......

Sorry to hear about the wrap trouble. Bill Webb is a good guy and would probally take care of this with very little hassle. I'd send him a pm and let him know about it. Sounds like maybe you're the second owner of this cue. Not sure of that though. If you plan on getting into the repair business rig your lathe up with a smaller motor, and belt to help you with the wrapping of cues in the future. You'll have some fun doing it as well. I've never tried maple boards for pressing out a wrap, although I have used oak before. It's hard to beat Porper's Linen Press though. I used to have the pleasure of having Bill in the Seattle area to BS with. Now he's in AR staying drier than in Seattle. LOL. Let us all know how this turns out if you would.
 
Wrap Failure

I had this happen on a cue once and the maker fixed it with no questions asked. I was the original owner though. I agree, you should just get a wrap motor and a foot pedal. You can find all that stuff pretty cheap on the net.
 
butterflycues said:
Lacasi cues are great for this. I'll bet I have replaced a dozen of them. Butterflycues


Yeah, me too! I've always thought that the butts had dried out some and shrunk slightly causing the wrap to be slightly larger than the handle. I could be wrong, but it felt that way to me.

just more hot air!

Sherm
 
cuesmith said:
Yeah, me too! I've always thought that the butts had dried out some and shrunk slightly causing the wrap to be slightly larger than the handle. I could be wrong, but it felt that way to me.

just more hot air!

Sherm
I had to change one. What the heck do they use to glue them on? I think it was like 3M 77, or something. It definitely was not Elmers School Glue. I had to use solvent, to get the residual glue off.

Tracy
 
RSB-Refugee said:
I had to change one. What the heck do they use to glue them on? I think it was like 3M 77, or something. It definitely was not Elmers School Glue. I had to use solvent, to get the residual glue off.

Tracy


I've used the 3m spray when recovering tables, and it held well for that, but never considered It under a wrap. I use white glue like most do, but as most know, If you don't keep It damp, and It dries before you finish wrapping It does'nt bond as well..

I wonder If It might not be a tension issue? I use enough when I wrap a cue that It seems even without glue the shifting mentioned would be minimal if any. Greg


Greg
 
RSB-Refugee said:
I had to change one. What the heck do they use to glue them on? I think it was like 3M 77, or something. It definitely was not Elmers School Glue. I had to use solvent, to get the residual glue off.

Tracy

It is some kind of spray glue and the wrap is just tucked at both ends. They don't hold up well. Players and Lucasi are very popular around here and I re-wrap and re-tip most of them the first year.
 
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