Ivory ferrule on an Predator 314 shaft

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Can anyone tell me what the consequnce(s) will be if I replace the stock ferrule on a Predator 314 shaft with an ivory ferrule?

Has anybody done this yet?

Did you like the results?

Do you recommend doing it? Or is it better to stick with the original ferrule?
 
Vyc said:
Can anyone tell me what the consequnce(s) will be if I replace the stock ferrule on a Predator 314 shaft with an ivory ferrule?

Has anybody done this yet?

Did you like the results?

Do you recommend doing it? Or is it better to stick with the original ferrule?
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It's better to stick with the original ferrule! The idea behind the Predator is the less mass in the end of the shaft the less deflection. An ivory ferrule would definitely go against that theory. Not to mention void any kind of warranty.
 
I replaced the ferrule on one of my "junk" Predator shafts with an Ivorine 3 ferrule. I kept the exact same dimensions as the original ferrule. When the job was finished, it deflected more than a standard Predator shaft, but less than a non-predator shaft. An Ivory replacement would probably deflect even more. Ivory might also be more prone to crack if the installer kept the same dimensions as the original Predator ferrule, as its walls are significantly thinner than a traditional ferrule.
 
Thanks all!!

I guess I'll be leaving my trusty ol' 314 shaft alone :)
 
Vyc said:
Can anyone tell me what the consequnce(s) will be if I replace the stock ferrule on a Predator 314 shaft with an ivory ferrule?

Has anybody done this yet?

Did you like the results?

Do you recommend doing it? Or is it better to stick with the original ferrule?
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most phil pros would prefer changing the ferrule to phenolic...the tip to elk master... we even sometimes (players request)put maple dowel on the hollow 314 shaft... ;) result is... :confused:
 
linds said:
most phil pros would prefer changing the ferrule to phenolic...the tip to elk master... we even sometimes (players request)put maple dowel on the hollow 314 shaft... ;) result is... :confused:
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Lind, is that a negative result?

Also, would you mind telling me which pinoy pros prefer this? Would any of them be coming here in the US (maybe for the 9-Ball US Open?) I'd like to talk to them about it personally (if possible) on what advantage it gives them. (I know Warren, Nikoy, and Andam well enough but none of the new and upcoming pros.)

Is the phenolic ferrule lighter than the stock ferrule on the 314? and if so, would produce less deflection?

I have a solid ivory ferrule, and its seems heavy. But I don't know how much lighter it will be (once it's threaded and ready for installation) compared to a phenolic ferrule.

But then a maple dowel would make the front part of the shaft heavier and produce more deflection?
 
warren was the pioneer on this...
marlon manalo is joining the US open ;) phenolic ferrule is more dense/heavier than the stock 314 ferrule... the maple dowel probably to
stabilize/balance the cue...not sure of that/been 3yrs now my pred
still works fine with me... :)
 
Linds, can't get your website to work... is it necessarry to download something for that?
 
I have'nt tried the phenolic ferrule on one, but have done the maple dowel as part of a repair on some someone broke and gave us. Seems to stiffen the shaft up some, but guess there was some deflection to the shaft. As far as the tip weight, well hard for me to tell since I usually just switch up My grip on the cue to balance It where the tip is lighter anyway, and probably just did'nt notice. I'm Sure it's heavier though.

I would'nt do It to a good shaft, but the change worked real well with a softer hitting butt section where you wanted more action. It does however change the whole design of the shaft. The only reason I even did It was because the shafts were practically new, and this guy use to throw them unprotected behind the seat of his truck, and they got snapped off back there somehow. the fix was simple using a dowel. He got one, and gave us 2. Shot with them for years and they are still intact. They play fine to Me, altough I don't use them as much anymore. I think I put fibre ferrules on them back then, but not positive off the top of My head what ferrule is on there without looking.

The part that I had a hard time with was how come It happened 3 times to him :D He's a fairly smart guy, but made the same mistake with every new one he got. I have seen him with a few decent cues, but don't think I have ever seen him with a case. Guess He tries to keep a low profile.
 
linds said:
most phil pros would prefer changing the ferrule to phenolic...the tip to elk master... we even sometimes (players request)put maple dowel on the hollow 314 shaft... ;) result is... :confused:
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Isn't that essentially the same as a non-predator turned down to 12 3/4 inches? Maybe less prone to warping because of the lamination.
 
catscradle said:
Isn't that essentially the same as a non-predator turned down to 12 3/4 inches? Maybe less prone to warping because of the lamination.
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No, the theory of lamination is so the shaft hits the same no matter how you turn it. Warpage is still based on quality wood and proper seasoning. You have been here so you know what I am talking about.
 
Good point, I used to mark My playing cues when I found the sweet side of a standard shaft for that same reason. even a flat laminated seems more consistent to me. and you don't have to mark them :D . Greg
 
Michael Webb said:
No, the theory of lamination is so the shaft hits the same no matter how you turn it. Warpage is still based on quality wood and proper seasoning. You have been here so you know what I am talking about.
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Mike, I've seen your patient process and own enough of your shafts to know they're not prone to warpage (even when in the hands of a klutz like me). However, not all cuemakers are as conscientous (sp?) as you. Would it be true to say a laminated shaft, either Predator pie shape or flat lamination, is less prone to warpage than the shaft of a cuemaker who doesn't take the time to pick the best wood or take enough time between turnings?
 
In theory but the wood still has to be seasoned. I season my flat laminated shafts just like I do my regular shafts. Maybe a bit over kill. But I can live with that. And the most important part is the difference in hit from any laminated shaft compared to a pure shaft. Every time a lamination is done you may gain something but you also loose something. I treat all wood the same in proper seasoning. I don't gain any time because of laminations.
 
I had a Predator shaft that had a defected ferrel... Before I could send it to Predator, a friend, who just started doing minor repairs on cues, decided to put a new ferrel on it(without asking me). It ruined the hit. It was a cheap ferrel on top of that, which added to the list of problems. Thank goodness predator fixed the shaft for me. I thought I going to go crazy when this happened.

If the Pedator ferrel had nothing to do with the overall performance, they would not patnet it design.
 
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