ivory ferrules

fast larry said:
Laura, what if they were out killing wolves and using their teeth to adorn your cue and ferrule instead of elephants teeth, would your opinion of this then change. One animal is Ok to slaughter and another one is to be protected? Are we dealing with double standards here? A magnificant bull elephant is not equal to a sled dog? :D


I was being funny. But if we are going to talk about double standards, if I knew that cocobolo was near extinct, I would have not asked Tim to make my cue with coco and coco points. I think plants are just as important. Without plants, we could not breathe because the plants take the co2 that we expell and emit oxygen we need to breathe. Lot's of the environmental problems we are now facing is because of this indiscriminate destruction of trees.

But no, I did not really give the ferrule a second thought. Tim is a top cuemaker and I trusted his judgement. That trust has paid off in how wonderfully the cue plays.

I also once had a friend in PETA, who when she saw someone with a rabbit coat, told them they were wearing 100 dead rabbits, and she was opposed to using leather also.

The native americans wore leather , but they used the whole animal, not just killing them for their hides, if you remember the movie 'dances with wolves'.

I cannot change anyone, I can only change me and I cannot fight all battles. I have chosen to help sled dogs and wolves and even then, I cannot save them all. Defenders of Wildlife has offered to reimburse ranchers when one of them is killed by a wolf, but still the slaughter continues. There was a pack that was tagged for the government to study. They, I guess, gave into the lobbying of the ranchers, flew over the tagged wolves in helicopters and killed them all, even the pups.

Now that made me sick. Man continues in his unbridled attempt to exterminate the wolf, not for their hides, but just to destroy. Now, i have picked my battle for the wolves, you have picked yours for the elephants. And so it goes.

Laura
 
Pretty sure that 90% of the oxygen you breath is processed from micro organsims, not trees
 
billfishhead said:
i believe f l sells cue tips,,,,,,,,,,hes a merchant of death too


Go into my web site, www.fastlarrypool.com, I have no tips or cues or ferrules for sale. I am not a merchant of death, I do not sell or use dead animal parts on my cues. Every time my hand runs thru a ferrule it is running through plastic, not a dead elephants tooth killed so your ferrule can be shinny and clean. I am as clean as Kansas new fallen spring snow here boys. Nice try, try again, to dig up something to make me look bad. :D
 
Boy things change!!!!

billfishhead said:
not even a leather tip ?

I think this thread was initially about whether Ivory ferrules played well and now it almost sounds like a PETA thing. :eek:

Just to state about leather. There was a time when the various Indian tribes free ranged the various states, when buffalo were killed by non-indian peoples for their hides only, but do not think it is that way so much anymore. When healthy buffalo or cattle are killed,I think that the meat is used to sell as steaks and such, hooves and rawhide bones are sold as dog chewies and then the hide is used to make various leather products such as shoes, belts, jackets and tips.

With the elephant, if the kill is only for the Ivory and the rest of the animal is left to rot in the sun, this seems to be a different situation. Not one I had given serious consideration to, and never really thought of that possibility before reading this thread.

I never thought about it when Tim was building my cue, so i do not know even if the hit is different, but only that the cue is great. Geez.

Laura
 
As I stated in an earlier post, as long as the elephant is killed and the meat eaten, to sustain humans, then I feel the ivory is for the taking. To kill such a majestic animal for the tusks, as is killing the beautiful gorilla and bear for their paws, is utterly damning. God help those who do because I'll make it worth my while to put a stop to senseless acts.
 
kokopuffs said:
As I stated in an earlier post, as long as the elephant is killed and the meat eaten, to sustain humans, then I feel the ivory is for the taking. To kill such a majestic animal for the tusks, as is killing the beautiful gorilla and bear for their paws, is utterly damning. God help those who do because I'll make it worth my while to put a stop to senseless acts.


Lots of luck, the last person who tried to do this just got banned in order to shut down his message. Go after those selling Ivory on cues, you will surly experience the same fate. People do not eat Elephant meat, it is allowed to just rot, only the tusks are taken, the carcass is only eaten by vultures, not humans. There is no need or want to ever kill an elephant for food, that is never the reason to kill one. Do a save the Gorillas instead, nobody on this board cares about them. Try and save the elephants and the wrath of God shall descend upon you here. I would not even consider it if I were you.
 
Big Louie said:
Lots of luck, the last person who tried to do this just got banned in order to shut down his message. Go after those selling Ivory on cues, you will surly experience the same fate. People do not eat Elephant meat, it is allowed to just rot, only the tusks are taken, the carcass is only eaten by vultures, not humans. There is no need or want to ever kill an elephant for food, that is never the reason to kill one. Do a save the Gorillas instead, nobody on this board cares about them. Try and save the elephants and the wrath of God shall descend upon you here. I would not even consider it if I were you.

Just out of curiousity, how many different nicknames do you post under, Larry? :rolleyes:
 
Bluewolf said:
Defenders of Wildlife has offered to reimburse ranchers when one of them is killed by a wolf, but still the slaughter continues. ...And so it goes.

Laura


Just how does one reimburse a rancher that is killed by a wolf? ;)
 
Bear said:
Just how does one reimburse a rancher that is killed by a wolf? ;)

I defy you to find an actual confirmed attack where a wolf killed a rancher or a farmer; there is not any, which is why the wolf is being re introduced all over the country. They are now even starting to plant some in the Southern Appalachian Mountains also. They have a role in nature, of check and balances. There are coyote killings where they sneak in and drag off babies out of back yards out west where people invaded their terrain. There are a few wild wolf attacks like that in India, but even there these are very rare. The wolf attack against humans is mostly a myth.

Here is some data from a Science museum, that are experts on this, I am not.

Montshire Minute: Wolves


Originally aired during the week of August 17, 1998



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What do you think of when you here the word "wolf?" Maybe you think of the "big, bad" wolf. Or the "man-eating wolf," as presented in the fairy tale Little Red Riding Hood. Gluttons are said to "wolf down" a meal. Well, we get the picture: the wolf is supposed to be a mean, deceptive creature with bad table manners. Only during the past few decades have humans become more accepting of these predators and of their rightful place in nature. Wolves have been absent from Vermont and New Hampshire for this entire century. But some naturalists are trying to reintroduce wolves to northern New England and the Adirondacks where wolves were once abundant. Join naturalist Marcas Marx at Montshire at 7 pm this Friday. He'll be talking about the natural history of this remarkable creature as well as efforts to bring back the eastern timber wolf.

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Wolves use strength in numbers to chase down prey. The pack may single out one victim and take turns chasing it down until the prey is exhausted. Because their paws are large and slightly splayed, they have incredible balance and can move easily in snow and ice. In winter, wolves may try to trap elk, deer, caribou, moose or other prey in deep snow where these animals can't easily run or maneuver. Despite its strength, skill and cunning--a wolf can run 40 miles per hour in short spurts and can crush the thighbone of an elk or moose with its powerful jaws -- they only succeed in catching prey about once in ten attempts. By singling out sick, old or weak animals as victims, wolves actually keep the herd healthy over the long run. At 7 pm this Friday, naturalist Marcas Marx will tell us more about the natural history of the wolf, and detail efforts to restore the wolf population.

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A wolf pack usually numbers anywhere from six or eight animals to several dozen. Wolves that hunt as a pack, eat as a pack, although the pack leader - called the alpha male - gets to eat first. The alpha male usually consumes the choicest part of the meal - you know, the liver, the heart, the intestines. Wolves mostly eat hoofed animals like deer, moose, elk and caribou. But in warmer months when they are less active, they will dine on berries or small rodents. Wolves would just as soon scavenge and spend a lot of time and energy hunting prey. The Lewis and Clark expedition reported in 1804 that prairie wolves followed buffalo herd, feeding on animals that had already died. Usually the alpha male and female are the only wolves in the pack which mate. Pups born in the spring are usually big enough to travel and hunt with the pack in the late fall and winter.


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Before New England was settled, the region was home to about 100,000 wolves, according to the North American Wolf Foundation. But clearing farmland and intensive hunting and trapping wiped them out from Vermont and New Hampshire about 100 years ago. By the mid-1900's, only one wolf population survived in the lower 49 states: that in northern Minnesota. The gray wolf was the first animal listed under the 1973 Endangered Species Act. As the northern forest stretching across northern New England and the Adirondacks begins to reestablish itself, this region is more inviting to wolves. In 1993, a 67 pound female timber wolf was shot by a hunter near Moosehead Lake in Maine. In 1996, just east of Bangor, another hunter mistook a 81 pound wolf for a coyote and shot it. Each of these wolves may have been a "disperser," a lone wolf who leaves the pack to colonize some other territory.

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Healthy wolf packs exist north of the St. Lawrence River, just 75-100 miles from Maine. Wolves from Quebec may naturally expand into northern Maine, which offers 17,000 square miles of potential wolf habitat. Maine biologist Dan Harrison points out that wolves can easily travel 100 miles in a day and perhaps as few as three migrant wolves would be enough to establish a self-sustaining population in Maine. During the winter, when the St. Lawrence river freezes in several places, it would be possible for wolves to find a bridge of sorts to American territory. Some conservationists are hoping the wolves can establish packs on their own in Maine or in the Adirondack region. Others fear that without human assistance, wolves filtering down from Canada might continue to interbreed with eastern coyotes, diluting the dwindling gene pool of the eastern timber wolf.
 
Bear said:
Just how does one reimburse a rancher that is killed by a wolf? ;)

Oh, sorry, i meant that if they can prove that the wolf killed one of their livestock, the defenders of wildlife offered to reimburse them. But then, the ranchers lobbying was so powerful, this has caused sighting of wolves to be killed in some areas, even when they had not killed anything.

This has caused their numbers to decrease in certain areas. When they were reintroduced into Yellowstone, they were protected as an endangered species. Once their number increased to 300, there was pressure to take them off of that endangered list and the ranchers were then allowed to shoot and kill any wolf that they saw on or bordering their property.

I am glad to see that they are doing better in other areas. Wolves in the wild are afraid of people because their socialization window is only 9 days. The socialization window refers to the time when things that a pup is exposed to that they will not fear. Dogs have a socialization window of sixteen week so are exposed to many things, so that they will not be fearful. The window of wolf pups is so short that if they are not exposed to man within that short window, they will always fear man. It is also my understanding that there are no accounts of healthy wolves killing any person in North America. The exception would of course be if the wolf were rabid, which we know that any rabid dog is capable of killing.

In response to Jackos comments, it is true that they can range 100 miles in one day but do not believe that they run 40 miles an hour. I have had a wolf (domesticated) in my home and been around others in my family and know that my siberian husky can run much faster. She can catch up to a deer and keep pace with it, but do not think she can run 40 miles an hour.

Laura
 
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Getting back to the topic,I have a question about Ivory ferrules. I never had an ivory ferrele and don't know what it sounds and feels like. I think it has that solid "doink" sound when you hit a ball. Is that ivory?


Brian
 
Audible feedback is a function of tip hardness. Hardly heard anything using the LePro tip. But it sounds metallic with the Talisman Pro medium tip installed.
 
kokopuffs said:
Audible feedback is a function of tip hardness. Hardly heard anything using the LePro tip. But it sounds metallic with the Talisman Pro medium tip installed.

My scruggs has the least 'dink' sound of any other cue I have used. What part of that is the ferrule, the joint, the tip or just that he makes an all around superior product, I am not a cuemaker so do not really know. But scruggs did not say that ivory hit better so do not know what he thinks about that. He told me he put it on the shafts because it was easier to keep clean. That is the only ivory on my cue.

I have used several different brands of tips and levels of hardness. I liked moori, talisman, sumo water buffalo (came on my blackheart I sold) and the triangle on the scruggs.

The predator I used for a year came with a lepro tip and that was the only tip that I did not like, so we ended up having another type of tip put on it. There was just something about the hit that I did not like. Not sure if it was the tip or whether it was too hard for regular play.

Laura
 
sound

APA7 said:
Getting back to the topic,I have a question about Ivory ferrules. I never had an ivory ferrele and don't know what it sounds and feels like. I think it has that solid "doink" sound when you hit a ball. Is that ivory?


Brian

Ivory has a sounds like a snapping sound. When I was able to hear well, I could tell the differance sitting at the bar, way away from the action.
blud
 
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