Jayson Shaw's 714 becomes 669?
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It disappoints me that instead of addressing the controversy they choose to instead make a copyright claim. I’m surprised that neither them or Schmidt have said anything yet.
Maybe they don’t think it’s a big deal, but I do. This was supposed to be a world record attempt so what would he have done if he continued on to 670 or 715? I used to be of the belief that Johns 626 was legit and it was only withheld from the public due to piracy concerns. But now I’m in the suspicious camp.
As a longtime (and still) admirer of John's extraordinary 14.1 skills, devotion, and gifted teaching ability, it's with extreme reluctance that I now join you in moving to the suspicious camp regarding the 626.
Arnaldo ~ That purposeful high-racking and conversationally soliciting the racker's collaboration, opens an undeniable and sad behavioral window.
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That is fucking hysterical....
In regards to the copyright horseshit, just grab 3 screenshots. 1 of the corner ball by itself, 1 of the full rack in the pushed up placement, 1 of the overlapped picture you made. In case the video gets taken down.
Yeah... I believed the 626 was legit until I saw this. With so few people seeing the run and only on video, it really puts it in question now... as well as John's ethics in general...
The ruling authorities only seeing it on video and not in person make me wonder if something small like this could end up being missed.
The ruling authorities only seeing it on video and not in person make me wonder if something small like this could end up being missed.
This is the best post in the past 10 years, hands down.
100%
Yeah HU I've seen balls touched by other balls and not move, some rocked but stayed there, like you said not so much these days as in older days, so if that's what happen it's insignificant, a ball has to really move from point A to B for it to be moving and called a foul. How you been doing HU? I often wonder about ya, besides everything on and in my body hurting all the time I'm doing great, won a Scotch Triples 8-ball tournament in Texarkana Saturday , took 12 hrs. and by the end I didn't care if We got 2nd or won, not ever playing in one of those ever again. David Harcrow
Slow down there cow poke. I didn't say it didn't happen either. I'm just saying it does put it in question some and that it wouldnt shock me if the video never gets a home release now due to the scrutiny it could (and should) receive now that the racking fuck-up has been shown.
I've also never doubt Shaw's run.
Yes, this is my perspective too. Aside from those suspicious rack placements we’ve seen, John did maintain a bpi similar to Jaysons, I believe, which suggests he is capable of 626. It’s just now I know manipulating the rack is potentially in his playbook which makes me doubt it. So I just would be surprised at anything at this point.
Balls per inning is a pretty strong predictor. According to Gerry Fs stats, John average 88 balls per inning over 4 days. That’s 14 more than Jayson. I don’t know if that average controls for the adjusted rack, but it wouldn’t make a big difference given how many balls where pocketed over 4 days.
I think rules need "bright line" definitions so we're not inviting "creativity" with their interpretation. Touch a ball enough to make it visibly move, even if it rocks back into place, and that should be a foul (with all ball foul rules). Otherwise there will be arguments about whether or not it really happened, whether or not it really mattered, etc.
And touching a ball that's in the way of your shot, even if it doesn't go anywhere (and even if the rule is CB fouls only), might give you a shot you wouldn't have otherwise had, so that should also be a foul.
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Well there you go.
It's a foul....and most significantly it is a shooting foul. So even if it were "cueball fouls only", that's a foul.
For sure they woukd have quit that run at 45....
I might be confused and was definitely not there for Willie's run.
The way I understand the story was that Mosconi was playing an exhibition match against an Ohio local and had run his signature 100 balls during the match. Then the crowd encouraged him to continue shooting? Not that Mosconi started the run solo from a break. Someone more knowledgeable can correct me.
On March 19, in Springfield, Ohio, I ran 526 balls, a record that still stands. I was playing a two-hundred-point match against an amateur by the name of Earl Bruney in the East High Billiard Club. He made three balls off the break, then I ran two hundred and just kept going. The run took two hours and ten minutes, which means that over that span I averaged four balls a minute. I finally missed a difficult cut shot, but by that time I was weary; it was almost a relief to have it come to an end.
Cohen, Stanley; Mosconi, Willie. Willie's Game: An Autobiography . Open Road Media. Kindle Edition.
Thank you!
I'm very pleased that 14.1 has found some new life and lots of discussion. Congratulations to everyone involved in these events. Both the players and organizers.
I do however consider walking into a strange room and making a run different than dedicating a day or more in the same place.
Also like the sound of 1000pt matches. Or round robin tournaments with 5 or so of the top players.
Sounds like your definition of "cue ball fouls only" is different from the WPA's definition.
21. CUE BALL FOULS ONLY
If there is no referee presiding over a match, it may be played using cue ball fouls only. That is, touching or moving any ball other than the cue ball would not be a foul unless it changes the outcome of the shot by either touching another ball or having any ball, including the cue ball, going through the area originally occupied by the moved ball. If this does not happen, then the opposing player must be given the option of either leaving the ball where it lies or replacing the ball as near as possible to its original position to the agreement of both players. If a player shoots without giving his opponent the option to replace, it will be a foul resulting in cue ball in hand for the opponent.
For comparison:
- Shaw's 407, 4.5 balls per minute
- SVB's 241, 3.7 bpm. His 308 was 2.2 bpm
- Earl's 238, 3.6 bpm
- Schmidt's 322, 3.1 bpm
- Chinakhov's 266, 3.1 bpm
You are a genius
Shaw's 9 ball video is less funny, and hardly a minor infraction when you're talking about taking down a world record. It's a foul and clear one at that.
But this Schmidt thing with the racker moving the balls off of the spot to allow a shot, and Schmidt watching it happen and acting as a willing participant, can't help but raise questions about the 626 run and his refusal to release the full video.
Schmidt left a lot of money on the table by not selling the video - the question has always been why? Perhaps now we have our answer.
Then proclaiming that was the best break shot of his entire life was just the steam off the bullshit. What a douche bag.
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