John Barton's exercise routine video

JB Cases said:
Seriously?

I guess you have missed that speed pool is a real thing. Darren Appleton and SVB and many other top pros have competed in speed pool contests. One paid out 50 or 100k I think.

Now I know that AZB has hit rock bottom. When people are really spending effort to complain that the concept of running around the table trying to pocket balls as quickly as possible is destructive.

Let's introduce the concept of personal responsibility....if anyone out there is SERIOUS about their game then let's just make it a default assumption that they will have enough sense to figure out that trying to run out every rack in less than a minute will not likely produce the results they are looking for.

Maybe if we agree to use that as our common sense we can then stop having this discussion?
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BasementDweller said:
Variety is the splice of life.

You guys need to lighten up. A little speed pool never hurt anybody. My kids have enjoyed a few rounds of this here and there. It definitely gets the heart pumping so I can see some value in that. I've also messed around with wing shots and I see some value in those as well. I think they both serve as a way to engage tour subconscious.
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Not for the first time, I'm on the same page as Basement Dweller.....
...I've seen many players become prisoner to their PSRs.....
...doing things by rote can limit your improvement.
A solid foundation is good to have, but I don't feel it should be your master.

You'll never know what talents you have if you don't unleash them once in a while.
 
lfigueroa said:
I don't expect you to understand.

Guys like Butera, Drago -- that was/is their thing, that's their tempo, *they're the exception.* Besides, posting here, you are addressing amateur players, not pros.

The old-timers are the guys I'd occasionally hang around at The Palace and Cochran's in San Francisco. They always said that if your heart wasn't in it -- if you were bored and just hitting balls for the sake of hitting them -- to stop, you would be doing more damage than good. Don't expect you to understand.

So sure, you still need to hit a million balls but as the books, like Daniel Coyle's "The Talent Code" say, it needs to be "deep practice," focused, purposeful practice, and not running around the table like an idiot.

Don't expect you to understand that one either ;-)

Lou Figueroa
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Sure, ok. And none of those "old timers" at Cochrans wanted any piece of Keith McReady in Los Angeles.

Running around the table quickly has put probably millions of dollars into people's pockets over the years. Pool is not just yours to define. It is everyone's which is a curse for professional players trying to make a living at it and a bonus for everyone trying to have fun with it. You don't get to tell me or anyone how to play or what to play with any degree of authority. Your stodgy opinion is just one in a sea of opinions of what pool is and should be.

Since you like sports analogies.....when I was a springboard diver....we often went out as a group to do unstructured fun stuff like play on rope swings and trampolines to break up the intense training. This is a crucial part of training to disengage the conscious mind and let the subconscious play out what has been learned thus far.

We used to have a great time exploring new tricks and pushing our limits without the formality. Speed pool is like that. No one is suggesting that pool tournaments adopt a 3 second shot clock. But the suggestion that anyone who messes around with speed pool is doomed and failing as a serious player is beyond ridiculous.

Not only that it's been well disproven as the world's elite players have likely all played it from time to time both formally in competition and informally for fun.

Lou stop acting like you are some kind of accomplished authority on pool. You're not even a shortstop. We all get it that you're "serious" about your pool game. We don't care. For all that seriousness you're still an average player. Loosen up and have some fun.

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JB Cases said:
Sure, ok. And none of those "old timers" at Cochrans wanted any piece of Keith McReady in Los Angeles.

Running around the table quickly has put probably millions of dollars into people's pockets over the years. Pool is not just yours to define. It is everyone's which is a curse for professional players trying to make a living at it and a bonus for everyone trying to have fun with it. You don't get to tell me or anyone how to play or what to play with any degree of authority. Your stodgy opinion is just one in a sea of opinions of what pool is and should be.

Since you like sports analogies.....when I was a springboard diver....we often went out as a group to do unstructured fun stuff like play on rope swings and trampolines to break up the intense training. This is a crucial part of training to disengage the conscious mind and let the subconscious play out what has been learned thus far.

We used to have a great time exploring new tricks and pushing our limits without the formality. Speed pool is like that. No one is suggesting that pool tournaments adopt a 3 second shot clock. But the suggestion that anyone who messes around with speed pool is doomed and failing as a serious player is beyond ridiculous.

Not only that it's been well disproven as the world's elite players have likely all played it from time to time both formally in competition and informally for fun.

Lou stop acting like you are some kind of accomplished authority on pool. You're not even a shortstop. We all get it that you're "serious" about your pool game. We don't care. For all that seriousness you're still an average player. Loosen up and have some fun.

(type expected response below)
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The world's elite players are not here but even if they were they can do whatever they want -- their PSRs are so burnt-in they are not only great players, they can goof and be OK. But amateurs are different and being goofy at a pool table is not in their best interests.

Like I said, I don't expect you to understand. And anyone who has seen you play would probably understand why.

oh, and be sure to include this exercise in your curriculum. *That* will truly make it worthy of being called The Barton Academy.

Lou Figueroa
 
I think it's fine, John. If it allows someone to pocket a few balls while putting a little spring in their step at the same time, then go for it. :smile:
 
lfigueroa said:
The world's elite players are not here but even if they were they can do whatever they want -- their PSRs are so burnt-in they are not only great players, they can goof and be OK. But amateurs are different and being goofy at a pool table is not in their best interests.

Like I said, I don't expect you to understand. And anyone who has seen you play would probably understand why.

oh, and be sure to include this exercise in your curriculum. *That* will truly make it worthy of being called The Barton Academy.

Lou Figueroa
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I understand your opinion, I just don't care. Anyone who has seen you play would probably conclude that whatever you do with your hours of solitary practice each day isn't helping you either.

As for the "academy" snipe......not that this would ever come to pass considering your proclivity to avoid anything you don't think is a lock.....I'd be willing to bet $100,000 that we could both each take an absolute beginner on as a student for one year and at the end of that year my student will beat your student in an all-around competition.

Now, go ahead and tell me how I am unfit to teach anyone anything because of my bad habits. Because you know all the great coaches in history across sports have been world class performers themselves.....

I still have 20k right here to play more one pocket whenever you dig deep and find the heart that the "old timers" always talked about. Maybe you left San Francisco before you learned that lesson. My offer remains the same. 10 ahead for 20k.
 
JB Cases said:
Since you like sports analogies.....when I was a springboard diver....we often went out as a group to do unstructured fun stuff like play on rope swings and trampolines to break up the intense training. This is a crucial part of training to disengage the conscious mind and let the subconscious play out what has been learned thus far.
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Your own example disproves the point you were trying to make, though.

When you did the focused springboard diving practice, you engaged the conscious mind for diving competition.

When you did the rope swings and trampolines, you were engaging the conscious mind in preparation for American Ninja Warrior.

But, I'll bet you $100,000 that if we took two out of shape beginning students and independently trained them for entry on American Ninja Warrior, that both of them would fall into the water by the 3rd rope swing apparatus :grin:
 
When I'm having a bad day I just come back and watch this video and the world is okay again.
 
shinobi said:
Your own example disproves the point you were trying to make, though.

When you did the focused springboard diving practice, you engaged the conscious mind for diving competition.

When you did the rope swings and trampolines, you were engaging the conscious mind in preparation for American Ninja Warrior.

But, I'll bet you $100,000 that if we took two out of shape beginning students and independently trained them for entry on American Ninja Warrior, that both of them would fall into the water by the 3rd rope swing apparatus :grin:
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lol. No it doesn't. Don't need to elaborate. Like ANW.
 
I'm a beginner. Can I be the student for you JB? Don't let it sweat you either. At least you are out there doing stuff for the game......there will be haters.
 
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JB Cases said:
I understand your opinion, I just don't care. Anyone who has seen you play would probably conclude that whatever you do with your hours of solitary practice each day isn't helping you either.

As for the "academy" snipe......not that this would ever come to pass considering your proclivity to avoid anything you don't think is a lock.....I'd be willing to bet $100,000 that we could both each take an absolute beginner on as a student for one year and at the end of that year my student will beat your student in an all-around competition.

Now, go ahead and tell me how I am unfit to teach anyone anything because of my bad habits. Because you know all the great coaches in history across sports have been world class performers themselves.....

I still have 20k right here to play more one pocket whenever you dig deep and find the heart that the "old timers" always talked about. Maybe you left San Francisco before you learned that lesson. My offer remains the same. 10 ahead for 20k.
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lol, *that* didn't take long.

OK, first, since you made the invitation: You are totally unfit to teach squadouche to even a rank beginner when it comes to pool. That is clearly beyond debate.

Second, I keep an old pickle jar on the floor under my desk. Your soul is in it -- you lost it in NJ and it and your money came home with me. The jar contains your good name, fair honor, and sound word.

I know you want, crave it back for all the lying, cheating and bluster you poured on me from our match. But it is here in St. Louis -- if you ever want redemption, come and get it.

I and my crew bought plane tickets, hotel rooms, and rental car to go where you wanted to play last time, New Jersey. Now, you come to Papa if you want your soul (and money) back :-)

Lou Figueroa
 

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lfigueroa said:
lol, *that* didn't take long.

OK, first, since you made the invitation: You are totally unfit to teach squadouche to even a rank beginner when it comes to pool. That is clearly beyond debate.

Second, I keep an old pickle jar on the floor under my desk. Your soul is in it -- you lost it in NJ and it and your money came home with me. The jar contains your good name, fair honor, and sound word.

I know you want, crave it back for all the lying, cheating and bluster you poured on me from our match. But it is here in St. Louis -- if you ever want redemption, come and get it.

I and my crew bought plane tickets, hotel rooms, and rental car to go where you wanted to play last time, New Jersey. Now, you come to Papa if you want your soul (and money) back :-)

Lou Figueroa
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That's cute. Come to "papa" :-) Maybe some day if I feel like it but you don't want to bet enough. As for my soul, you can only dream of ever crushing my soul.

I don't care if we ever play again. I have 20k sitting here and like my buddy said any pool player worth anything would be climbing over a ten mile stretch of desert cactus naked to snap off this easy money. He said any player who nits up so much that he can't drive 8 hours to pick up an extra 20 dimes off a guy that has no chance to win doesn't deserve to own a pool cue.

I don't care if you don't want to play...but thinking you beat me out my soul is silly....the only one who sold his soul is you to the nit crew who backed you. You wouldn't bet 10cts you're alive before and after that match. It took a concerted effort for people to get you to the table. And when you were there you displayed a skill level that was frankly no where near your ability to exaggerate your skill level.

I pretty much spotted you about five games in a race to nine. So really Lou you have no business telling anyone how to play pool. You have a decent stroke you're an average player but not exceptional in any way. For as much time as you have put in you really ought to be ashamed that you don't play better. That you're scared to come and play a hack like me says it all. And scared is exactly what it is.

Of the two of us you're the one who lost his soul. Whatever of it was even there in the first place.

If you had any spirit in you you would be here ready to play faster than Dave Pearson can run a rack.
 
lfigueroa said:
lol, *that* didn't take long.

OK, first, since you made the invitation: You are totally unfit to teach squadouche to even a rank beginner when it comes to pool. That is clearly beyond debate.

Second, I keep an old pickle jar on the floor under my desk. Your soul is in it -- you lost it in NJ and it and your money came home with me. The jar contains your good name, fair honor, and sound word.

I know you want, crave it back for all the lying, cheating and bluster you poured on me from our match. But it is here in St. Louis -- if you ever want redemption, come and get it.

I and my crew bought plane tickets, hotel rooms, and rental car to go where you wanted to play last time, New Jersey. Now, you come to Papa if you want your soul (and money) back :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Good post.

That soul is peaking through that jar.


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JB Cases said:
That's cute. Come to "papa" :-) Maybe some day if I feel like it but you don't want to bet enough. As for my soul, you can only dream of ever crushing my soul.

I don't care if we ever play again. I have 20k sitting here and like my buddy said any pool player worth anything would be climbing over a ten mile stretch of desert cactus naked to snap off this easy money. He said any player who nits up so much that he can't drive 8 hours to pick up an extra 20 dimes off a guy that has no chance to win doesn't deserve to own a pool cue.

I don't care if you don't want to play...but thinking you beat me out my soul is silly....the only one who sold his soul is you to the nit crew who backed you. You wouldn't bet 10cts you're alive before and after that match. It took a concerted effort for people to get you to the table. And when you were there you displayed a skill level that was frankly no where near your ability to exaggerate your skill level.

I pretty much spotted you about five games in a race to nine. So really Lou you have no business telling anyone how to play pool. You have a decent stroke you're an average player but not exceptional in any way. For as much time as you have put in you really ought to be ashamed that you don't play better. That you're scared to come and play a hack like me says it all. And scared is exactly what it is.

Of the two of us you're the one who lost his soul. Whatever of it was even there in the first place.

If you had any spirit in you you would be here ready to play faster than Dave Pearson can run a rack.
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That's right, come to Papa. Everyone knows it. Here, let me double check...

"Siri, who's John Barton's daddy?"

"Why, you are, Lou."

So, if you want redemption your soul is here in St. Louis. Udderwise, the score between us for the dough forever, all time and eternity remains Lou: 1; John: 0, goose egg, zippo, nada.

Lou Figueroa
hope da wife don't throw
that jar out by accident
 
lfigueroa said:
That's right, come to Papa. Everyone knows it. Here, let me double check...

"Siri, who's John Barton's daddy?"

"Why, you are, Lou."

So, if you want redemption your soul is here in St. Louis. Udderwise, the score between us for the dough forever, all time and eternity remains Lou: 1; John: 0, goose egg, zippo, nada.

Lou Figueroa
hope da wife don't throw
that jar out by accident
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Lol. Nah, my soul is intact right here. No redemption needed. I got all the emotion out of it the first time.

We have played 18 games of one pocket. The score is 10-8. I beat you when I couldn't spell pocket and I barely lost when I was playing like a donkey on crack.

So it's perfectly clear to me why you don't want to play. It's ok to be scared. Perfectly natural human emotion.

But I will sweeten the pot for you. My 25k to your 20k if you will agree to a 30 second shot clock. Let's keep the thread on track.
 
JB Cases said:
Lol. Nah, my soul is intact right here. No redemption needed. I got all the emotion out of it the first time.

We have played 18 games of one pocket. The score is 10-8. I beat you when I couldn't spell pocket and I barely lost when I was playing like a donkey on crack.

So it's perfectly clear to me why you don't want to play. It's ok to be scared. Perfectly natural human emotion.

But I will sweeten the pot for you. My 25k to your 20k if you will agree to a 30 second shot clock. Let's keep the thread on track.
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You obviously don't know how to keep score. Here, let me help you:

Lou: $10,000.00

John: $0.00

Lou Figueroa
we have plenty
of clocks in St Louis
(even have a guy
called watchez)
 
JB Cases said:
Lol. Nah, my soul is intact right here. No redemption needed. I got all the emotion out of it the first time.

We have played 18 games of one pocket. The score is 10-8. I beat you when I couldn't spell pocket and I barely lost when I was playing like a donkey on crack.

So it's perfectly clear to me why you don't want to play. It's ok to be scared. Perfectly natural human emotion.

But I will sweeten the pot for you. My 25k to your 20k if you will agree to a 30 second shot clock. Let's keep the thread on track.
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How about ball in hand while the cueball is moving, and you both take turns seeing how quickly you can shoot 8 balls into your pocket? Under a minute gets bonus points.
 
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