Joint, shaft or butt?

BAZARUS

BAZARUS

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I'm still trying to figure it out what to do with my Meucci. I have just learn from someone, that its not as much as in a shaft, but a type of joint determines about how flexible a cue is. Everyone always saying that Meucci shaft is flexible and Predator is stiff. That person told me, that putting a 314 shaft on Meucci butt will not make much of a difference, because of the joint.
I want your opinion about this. Please vote in %:

% in a butt ->
% in a shaft ->
% in a joint ->
 

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he is SO WRONG!!!

while the joint does make a difference(playing with an ss joint is much different than playing with a phenolic), you will feel the difference in the HARDNESS of the hit. the shaft won't all of a sudden become more flexible with a different joint. that's nutz.

and what is he saying when he says the "cue" has more flex with a different joint???? like,,,the cue is going to bend more!!!???? i don't think it's a measurable quantity,,,and those issues can be addressed with shaftwood/taper.
 
bruin70 said:
he is SO WRONG!!!

while the joint does make a difference(playing with an ss joint is much different than playing with a phenolic), you will feel the difference in the HARDNESS of the hit. the shaft won't all of a sudden become more flexible with a different joint. that's nutz.

and what is he saying when he says the "cue" has more flex with a different joint???? like,,,the cue is going to bend more!!!???? i don't think it's a measurable quantity,,,and those issues can be addressed with shaftwood/taper.
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Well, I have found this guy on the internet and he is a cuemaker. I told him that I was thinking about getting a 314 for my Meucci to make my cue more stiff. Hes answer was, that this will not change anything because of the type of joint on my cue. He said that it will still play like Meucci.
 
BAZARUS said:
Hes answer was, that this will not change anything because of the type of joint on my cue. He said that it will still play like Meucci.
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first of all....who is this cuemaker. i want to make sure to avoid him.

secondly....quoted above.........consider the logic of his statement. what he is saying, in effect, is that predator et.al., including bill stroud's universal zero-deflection, are all wrong since they all make shafts WITH DIFFERENT JOINTS FOR DIFFERENT CUE STYLES!!!!!!!!!

if he were right, then what is the point of making these shafts adaptable to different cues/joints if they won't make any difference!

there must be something in your or his wording that is being lost.
 
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BAZARUS said:
I'm still trying to figure it out what to do with my Meucci.
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Sell it on ebay and buy a custom cue to your specs. A cuemaker that will pay attention to your needs and one that will produce a cue in a reasonable amount of time. The list is endless and I wont tell you where to start so certain posters cant claim me trying to drum up business...good luck!
 
bruin70 said:
first of all....who is this cuemaker. i want to make sure to avoid him.

secondly....quoted above.........consider the logic of his statement. what he is saying, in effect, is that predator et.al., including bill stroud's universal zero-deflection, are all wrong since they all make shafts WITH DIFFERENT JOINTS FOR DIFFERENT CUE STYLES!!!!!!!!!

if he were right, then what is the point of making these shafts adaptable to different cues/joints if they won't make any difference!

there must be something in your or his wording that is being lost.
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Here are his words:

"I make shafts (usually about $70) and can control the flexibility of the shaft. I have made a lot of shafts for Meucci cues, but I believe the main reason that Meucci cues are flexible is not the shaft, it is the very thin and soft joint. I have made stiff shafts but the hit still seems to be soft and flexible on a Meucci butt. I would suggest that you find someone with a Preditor shaft that fits your Meucci and play with it before you spend the money on a Preditor shaft for your Meucci. It may not change the way your Meucci plays as much as you would like. Another option would be to purchase a complete Preditor cue as the shaft will be matched to the butt. "
 
Voodoo Daddy said:
Sell it on ebay and buy a custom cue to your specs. A cuemaker that will pay attention to your needs and one that will produce a cue in a reasonable amount of time. The list is endless and I wont tell you where to start so certain posters cant claim me trying to drum up business...good luck!
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I'd love to get a custom cue, but I'd have no idea where to start. I've been playing pool for 14 years, but as you can see I know nothing about cues.

How much it should weight?
Where is should have its ballance?
What type of joint?
What kind of ferule?
etc
 
14 Years!

You are telling us you've been playing for 14 years and have no idea about any of this stuff? Ever thought about taking up checkers?

Just kidding.....
 
cbi1000 said:
You are telling us you've been playing for 14 years and have no idea about any of this stuff? Ever thought about taking up checkers?

Just kidding.....
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lol :D

I know a little bit, ok.
 
Meucci...

I have a Meucci Gambler, (wish I had a pic), anyway, if your thinking about a shaft, call Meucci and purchase a Black Dot Shaft...$165???, (they can match your butt joint rings/style etc...), anyway that will do the trick...it still won't hit as firm as say a Schon or a Joss, but the 'flex' should be less noticeable...IMHO a Meucci is a finesse players cue...if you like to stroke the ball to the back of the pocket, and want that 'knock' sound/feel from the cue Meucci is not for you...if you use pocket speed...use natural angles to help you move the rock, with a little english, it's awesome...anyway it's all personal preference...I like it...

my 2c-
 
bruin70 said:
first of all....who is this cuemaker. i want to make sure to avoid him.

secondly....quoted above.........consider the logic of his statement. what he is saying, in effect, is that predator et.al., including bill stroud's universal zero-deflection, are all wrong since they all make shafts WITH DIFFERENT JOINTS FOR DIFFERENT CUE STYLES!!!!!!!!!

if he were right, then what is the point of making these shafts adaptable to different cues/joints if they won't make any difference!

there must be something in your or his wording that is being lost.
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I do not think that the joint will make any difference at all with respect to the shaft flexing. As you said that the joint does make a difference (huge) in the stiffness of hit. However with that said I am wondering if what was meant by the cue maker is that the entire stick is more flexible based up the joint. The softer the joint, the more the shock is absorbed through the entire stick.
 
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BAZARUS said:
I'm still trying to figure it out what to do with my Meucci. I have just learn from someone, that its not as much as in a shaft, but a type of joint determines about how flexible a cue is. Everyone always saying that Meucci shaft is flexible and Predator is stiff. That person told me, that putting a 314 shaft on Meucci butt will not make much of a difference, because of the joint.
I want your opinion about this. Please vote in %:

% in a butt ->
% in a shaft ->
% in a joint ->
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Woytk- what happened to that rainbow-like cue you used to play with?
 
Jersey said:
I have a Meucci Gambler, (wish I had a pic), anyway, if your thinking about a shaft, call Meucci and purchase a Black Dot Shaft...$165???, (they can match your butt joint rings/style etc...), anyway that will do the trick...it still won't hit as firm as say a Schon or a Joss, but the 'flex' should be less noticeable...IMHO a Meucci is a finesse players cue...if you like to stroke the ball to the back of the pocket, and want that 'knock' sound/feel from the cue Meucci is not for you...if you use pocket speed...use natural angles to help you move the rock, with a little english, it's awesome...anyway it's all personal preference...I like it...

my 2c-
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Thats a very good and sound desciption... I have owned several Meucci's, the only one I didnt like had a stainles joint... I prefere Schon, for various reasons but if you "roll the balls" a Meucci is a very good cue.. no doubt there...

2wld4u
 
I played with a Mooch for 2 years with a black dot shaft and enjoyed it until I hit with the cue I have now...flat faced phenolic 3/8-10 pin. The Mooch I played with a triangle tip now I play moori's. Its all preference but I sold my Mooch and will never play with one again as long as I can control it. I dont like SS joints. Hit too hard. wood to wood for me. I do believe that the joint has an important part in hit...as well as shaft taper, ferrule size/material, and tip hardness. hit different cues...I find a Mooch to be whippy, but spin is easlity obtained...314 is very stiff and a big change from a black dot...aim points with left/right english are very very different. Its all preference. I went from a black dot to a solid maple shaft...love it. JMO, FWIW
 
BAZARUS said:
I'd love to get a custom cue, but I'd have no idea where to start. I've been playing pool for 14 years, but as you can see I know nothing about cues.

How much it should weight?
Where is should have its ballance?
What type of joint?
What kind of ferule?
etc
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If you have been shooting with a Meucci for 14 years, Id suggest a black Dot shaft, I discussed this Budget Billiards ... I exclaimed that the Red Dot shafts had so much variation from shaft to shaft, and I ask about a older Meucci shaft for a replacement, I was told in detail that the black dot shafts all played nearly the same... They went on to say the black do shafts are a lil more on the stiff side but do not give up the english factor.. So basicaly they will play the way Meucci cues were intended.. and be consistant from cue to cue...

A good alternative imo is to go with a pechauer, if you decide to go with something other than another meucci or a Black Dot shaft, Pechauer cue's are well made and play very good..

you cant ecpect Meucci to hit like a cannon, there are cues out there that do, Meucci is not one of them, and having played with a meucci with a 314 shaft I agree with the cue maker you talked to... I didnt notice an incredable differance... not for the money... It may have some to do with the joint, I believe its the way a Meucci is balanced, to me they feel considerably lighter than other brands of the same weight...

just more .02


2wld4u
 
2wld4u said:
Thats a very good and sound desciption... I have owned several Meucci's, the only one I didnt like had a stainles joint... I prefere Schon, for various reasons but if you "roll the balls" a Meucci is a very good cue.. no doubt there...

2wld4u
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Glad to hear some agreement, there are soooo many posts dumping on Meucci's, I don't really see the problem...as with everything in Pool it's all preference...you really have to know how to play a Meucci...you can't be a banger...anyway, my daily player is a Schon and I love it...still 'whip' the Mooch out from time to time though, she always does me good!
;)
 
gforces1911 said:
Woytk- what happened to that rainbow-like cue you used to play with?
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That was a prehistoric cue that I have bought in Netherlands like 12 years ago. About 5-6 years ago that was only cue I had and I was also breaking with it untill I broke it. :rolleyes:
 
2wld4u said:
Thats a very good and sound desciption... I have owned several Meucci's, the only one I didnt like had a stainles joint... I prefere Schon, for various reasons but if you "roll the balls" a Meucci is a very good cue.. no doubt there...

2wld4u
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I agree here as well. I was ok with it when I was playing lots of straight pool. In 9 ball there are many shots that require hard stroke. Thats why I started to look for something different that would be good for both soft and hard stroke.
 
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BAZARUS said:
I'm still trying to figure it out what to do with my Meucci. [...]
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And herein lies the difference between this board and RSB. RSBers would have lunged at this bait like a channel cat to a rotten chicken liver...

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