Joss Cue (Model CC-06) 5 Points with Veneers (for sale or trade)

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justinb386

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I have a Joss cue that I would to sell, or trade.

I emailed Joss cues (to ask what information they knew about the cue), and Dan Janes emailed me, and told me that the cue is a Model CC-06 (Serial # A07247), and that it was made for a company called Cue & Case, and finished on 7/23/99.

The cue has many nicks/dings in the butt (below the wrap), but I could only feel a couple of very small nicks/dings in the forearm.

The butt rolls straight, but the shaft has a very slight roll out, and the tip does not leave the table when the shaft is rolled.

I do not know what the inlays are, so if anyone knows, than I would be interested to know. I am also interested to know how much the cue retailed for (if anyone remembers it in the Cue & Case catalog).

I had to use my 8 mega pixel webcam to take the pictures, so they are not very high quality pictures.

I took 11 pictures of the cue (too many to add here), so please view my pictures in the link below.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/72317747@N06/

If anyone has anything that they would be willing to do an even trade on, than I may be interested.

We could use a 3rd party to do the trade service (that one cue maker offers below), and split the cost of the fee ($25 each I guess).

http://www.proficientbilliards.com/services/escrowservice.htm

I accept paypal payments, if anyone would like to make me a fair cash offer for the cue.

Thank you.
 

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I would take $200 (plus $10 for Priority Mail shipping, handling, and insurance) for the cue, if anyone would be willing to pay that. Thank you.
 
I noticed tonight that the joint on the cue is probably a little warped (but not much). I see that the butt and the shaft roll straight when rolled separate, but when the cue is rolled together, the entire shaft comes a little off of the table a little (not much). This must mean that the joint, or the joint pin is warped, right? Can anyone tell me how much the repair would cost to fix a warped joint (or joint pin)? I have only had the cue for a couple of days, and did not get a chance to check the cue out until tonight on a table. The seller ebay seller had sold many cues in the past, and had a 100% feedback, so I figured that he was honest about the cue rolling straight. Does anyone know how much the warped joint hurt the value of the cue, or is this a cheap easy fix for any local cue repair person (there are none in my area)? Thanks.
 
The joint face may only need cleaned. See your other thread on the matter. :smile:
 
This cue has been sold. Thanks all for your replies, and interest.

Justin

justinb386 said:
I have a Joss cue that I would to sell, or trade.

I emailed Joss cues (to ask what information they knew about the cue), and Dan Janes emailed me, and told me that the cue is a Model CC-06 (Serial # A07247), and that it was made for a company called Cue & Case, and finished on 7/23/99.

The cue has many nicks/dings in the butt (below the wrap), but I could only feel a couple of very small nicks/dings in the forearm.

The butt rolls straight, but the shaft has a very slight roll out, and the tip does not leave the table when the shaft is rolled.

I do not know what the inlays are, so if anyone knows, than I would be interested to know. I am also interested to know how much the cue retailed for (if anyone remembers it in the Cue & Case catalog).

I had to use my 8 mega pixel webcam to take the pictures, so they are not very high quality pictures.

I took 11 pictures of the cue (too many to add here), so please view my pictures in the link below.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/72317747@N06/

If anyone has anything that they would be willing to do an even trade on, than I may be interested.

We could use a 3rd party to do the trade service (that one cue maker offers below), and split the cost of the fee ($25 each I guess).

http://www.proficientbilliards.com/services/escrowservice.htm

I accept paypal payments, if anyone would like to make me a fair cash offer for the cue.

Thank you.
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I've had my issues with cues here that were not as described....but this guy said the cue was warped. He even asked for prices to fix it and offered to use a middleman. I personally would have stayed away but I'm curious as to what you expected after reading the descriptions........:shakehead:
 
javi2 said:
I've had my issues with cues here that were not as described....but this guy said the cue was warped. He even asked for prices to fix it and offered to use a middleman. I personally would have stayed away but I'm curious as to what you expected after reading the descriptions........:shakehead:
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Geez..........go back and read again. The seller clearly states that the butt is straight. It is not. The cue is a big mess.

I expected a straight butt as stated. The shaft I don't care about.

He said the butt and shaft roll straight when rolled separate. Neither of them roll good.
 
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The seller related joint or joint pin may be warped. The fact that he wasn't sure would have made me concerned. Also he used the word "warped" four times. Hopefully you and the seller can work things out.
 
I must have made a mistake, and I feel really bad about it. I try to be honest about items that I sell. The butt appeared (to me) to roll straight, and so did the shaft. A guy that works at my local pool hall told me the same thing when he rolled both parts. He thought that the joint must have been warped, or there was something wrong with the joint. I guess that both of us have vision problems, lol. I would never intentionally lie about the condition of an item that I sell. I have been selling on ebay for years, and have always tried to be as honest as possible with my buyers. I replied to the buyers complaint today (telling him that I am very sorry, and to please return the cue to me, and that I would give him a complete refund as soon as I received the cue back). The buyer replied with filing a paypal complaint, and the buyer expected me to give him a refund before shipping back the cue back to me. I told him that that is not the way it works. The buyer always needs to ship an item back before a refund is given. I have been buying and selling items for 13 years, and that has always been the correct process (when a buyer is unhappy with an item received). Sorry for going into something that should be personal (between me and the buyer), but I just wanted to explain the situation here. I do not want anyone to think bad on me on here. I would like to be able to sell cues on here in the future, without a interested buyer having to worry about me not being an honest seller.
 
I plan on buying a really good 12mp (or better) digital camera, and taking a video of any cue that I sell in the future, so that there are no surprises. The video will show exactly how the cue looks when slow rolled on a table (together and apart). I think that this is a good idea for all sellers to do (when selling a cue online). It is just better proof than a sellers opinion, or a sellers description of a cue. I will post my future videos on my free Flickr account. I am just not very smart about cues, so this is probably the best way (it to show a good video of the cue on a well lightened pool table). I am very sorry to the buyer for the mistake that I must have made, but I am trying to handle my mistake in the most professional way that I can. I will not be listing any more cues until I get me a good digital camera (to take a good video of the cue with), because video and good high quality pictures are better than a thousand word description.
 
I received the cue back today, and gave the buyer a complete refund. I see now that I made a very big mistake. I did not roll the cue on a lighted table. I rolled it on a table that dud not have the lights turned on (very stupid of me, I know). I see now that the butt has a very slight warp in it, that is near the stainless steal joint. The warp is so slight that I did not notice it before. The shaft is also warped, but the tip does not leave the table when the shaft is rolled. The roll out is in the middle of the shaft, but for some reason, the tip does not leave the table when it it rolled (so I guess that the warp could not be all that bad). Now when the cue is rolled together, it looks horribly warped. The shaft and tip come completely off of the table (maybe about 1/4 of an inch or less, not sure). Maybe it is the joint that is crooked, but I am really not sure. I was still able to play good with the cue, so the warp did not affect my game. Does anyone think that $150 is a fair price to ask for the cue (in its condition)? Can a a very slightly warped butt (warped near the joint) be repaired, and how much would that normally cost (on average)? Thank you for any help.
 
justinb386 said:
The butt is very slightly warped (near the joint), but the warp is about as thick as a credit card (I do not think a credit card will fit under the warp).
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I really wanted to let this go but now you are being a complete idiot about this whole deal. You are nothing but a liar. You lied from the beginning to the end.

Why do you keep going on about this cue you got off of ebay? Why don't you file a dispute with ebay and send it back?

You never gave me a full refund. I needed to file a dispute through paypal and I won the dispute and paypal refunded my money except for the $12 it cost me to send the cue back to you. Oh, so I lost $12 because you forgot to turn the light on when you checked the cue.

Maybe you wanted to flip the cue quick to make an easy buck?

Now stop lying! When the cue is together the tip of the shaft comes off the table more than one quarter inch.

So you checked the cue in the dark? Who checks a pool cue without a light on? Then you said the butt was straight. Well, you are still in the dark. You said you've been an ebay seller for 13 years? Bull..., if you were on ebay and knew the rules, you would of filed a dispute and sent the cue back.

Then you needed the cue back right away because you were moving out of state. Probably another lie. You got mad because I filed a dispute through paypal? You need to stop selling pool cues because you know nothing about them or how to check one.

Turn the light on....

Now stop posting lies and move on.
 
Dear poolguy4u,

We have concluded our investigation into your case and have decided in your
favor.

We were able to recover $210.00 USD and this amount has been credited to
you. Please allow five business days for this adjustment to be posted.

If you are due any additional funds, we will make our best effort to
recover the balance from the seller.


If the seller's account has insufficient funds to complete the refund owed
to you, please be assured that we will take appropriate action against the
seller's account, which may include limitation of the seller's account
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Please read this thread again. You will see that I did note that the entire shaft (including the tip) comes completely off of the table when I rolled it. I guess that you did not take the time to read through this thread, and all the information that I posted. The only mistake that I made was not seeing the very slight warp (of maybe the thickness of a credit card) in the butt. There was no need for you to file a paypal complaint. I would have given you a complete refund as soon as I received the cue back. I did try to get a refund from the ebay seller, but he refused to give me a refund (saying that he sold the cue "as is", and that he was not obligated to give me a refund). At that time, I thought that the cues joint just needed to be refaced (from what other AZ members here told me), so I thought that it would be a cheap repair. I honestly did not think that the butt was warped, but as you can see (if you would have read my thread) is that I did note that the entire shaft and tip comes completely off of the table when rolled together. Did you not read what I wrote before (below)?

justinb386 said:
I noticed tonight that the joint on the cue is probably a little warped (but not much). I see that the butt and the shaft roll straight when rolled separate, but when the cue is rolled together, the entire shaft comes a little off of the table a little (not much). This must mean that the joint, or the joint pin is warped, right? Can anyone tell me how much the repair would cost to fix a warped joint (or joint pin)? I have only had the cue for a couple of days, and did not get a chance to check the cue out until tonight on a table. The seller ebay seller had sold many cues in the past, and had a 100% feedback, so I figured that he was honest about the cue rolling straight. Does anyone know how much the warped joint hurt the value of the cue, or is this a cheap easy fix for any local cue repair person (there are none in my area)? Thanks.
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The shaft does have a little bit of a warp, but the tip does not leave the table when the shaft is rolled by itself. I thought that if the tip does not leave the table, than that means that the shaft is not really considered to be warped. I always thought that that is just called a taper roll out (not really a warp). I thought that I originally noted this about the shaft roll out. Poolguy really should have carefully read through all of the replies (and everything that I posted). That email that paypal sent to the buyer is just an automated email. I never argued with the buyers paypal claim, and paypal held on to the $210 that I received the entire time of the complaint process. There really was no need for the buyer to file a paypal complaint, because I was really fast at replying to his 1st unhappy email (through AZ Billiards), and said that I was very sorry about the mistake that I must have made, and than I would give him a refund as soon as I received the cue back from him. He did not like that, so he decided to file a paypal complaint, and then expected me to refund his money before sending the cue back to me. I am a good honest person, and I handled the situation the same way that any other professional seller would have handled an unhappy buyer. I was always very fast to reply to emails, and I was very fast to reply to the paypal complaint (that was never really needed in the 1st place). I notified paypal that I received the cue back on the same day that I received it back (actually within the same couple of minutes). I did not waste any time before telling paypal that I received the cue back, so I was honest about that (and I tried my best to be honest about everything else).
 
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