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stickman161

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is it legal to use your shaft to jump balls with regular leather tip. i find a La Pro hard tip does a good job. BCA rules say it be 40", but it also says the tip must be leather or a synthetic leather. how many new jump cues has leather in the tips.
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stickman161
 
What version (Year) of the rules are you quoting and please show the link. I know of NO Rule on Jump cues requiring leather tip. There was an OLD revoked rule on break cues. And the rule to watch for is the jump cue must be minimum of 40 inches Also I have seen tournament rules of no using just a shaft, no mater if 40 or more :)
 
wrickyb said:
What version (Year) of the rules are you quoting and please show the link. I know of NO Rule on Jump cues requiring leather tip. There was an OLD revoked rule on break cues. And the rule to watch for is the jump cue must be minimum of 40 inches Also I have seen tournament rules of no using just a shaft, no mater if 40 or more :)
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They changed the rules several times... I have not looked lately but some tips were still outlawed on Break Cues but allowed on Jump Cues OR PLAYING cues... I had asked Bill Stock if I could PLAY with a phenolic and he said I could play with one but nt break with one.... They may have completely rescinded those rules later...

As far as shaft jumping that hasn't been legal anywhere that I am aware of since the early 90s....
 
Phenolic Tip Rule This rule suspended until further notice

Please note that for the time being this rule will not be in effect for League Play

Effective June 1, 2009, the Official Rules of the BCA Pool League in “Equipment Specifications” under “Cues,” item d. states:

“The cue tip must be composed of leather, fibrous, or pliable material. Phenolic cue tips are not permitted.”
The BCA Pool League is amending this rule to state: “THE CUE TIP ON BREAK CUES MUST BE MADE OF LEATHER WITH NO NONLEATHER MATERIALS ADDED TO THE CONTACTING SURFACE.” There have been questions asked, such as: “What if I break with my jump cue?” and similar questions. It is very simple. Whatever cue you break with must have a leather tip.
The reason for this rule is that the BCA Pool League has witnessed too many examples of damaged cue balls. After consultations with Aramith and
Simonis, it has been determined the major contributing factor in cue ball damage is the hardness of the tip on break cues.
For several years the WPA has taken the position that the cue tip may not be of a material that can scratch or damage the cue ball. The BCAPL
subscribes to the WPA philosophy. This policy only applies to break cues. Jump cues are allowed to have a leather or non-leather tip - since it is difficult to stroke with enough force to
cause damage.
This rule will be in effect at the BCAPL National 8-Ball Championships and regional tournaments that the BCAPL promotes. Promoters, directors and
operators of events such as league play or local tournaments may alter the rules as they see fit.




Thats from the BCAPL site so wrickyb is correct that they are no longer illegal.... I ahve been told of rooms outlawing white break tips because they were leaving material on the cloth from the heat from friction
 
The cue tip must be composed of leather, fibrous, or pliable material.

Most materials are pliable... Steel is considered pliable so what will they say if you show up with one on a cue?? The rule needs to be amended again...

IF Phenolic used in the balls is 100 on the hardness scale I would have to say anything that was over 95 needs to hit the bricks... I think the peak force between the cueball and tip at break far exceeds the impact of ball on ball and I have seen the g10 and g11 tips cause micro fractures on the cueball....

Next time you are in the pool room turn the light on your phone and stick it up to the surface of the ball... It will luminesce and you will be able to see if it's just scratched or is starting to fracture.....

Chris
 
wrickyb said:
What version (Year) of the rules are you quoting and please show the link. I know of NO Rule on Jump cues requiring leather tip. There was an OLD revoked rule on break cues. And the rule to watch for is the jump cue must be minimum of 40 inches Also I have seen tournament rules of no using just a shaft, no mater if 40 or more :)
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here's a couple links.dont know how old.

http://www.piconecues.com/id6.html

"I once saw a guy jump a ball from one inch away, will I be able to do that with the
The one inch jumpshot is very difficult to do with any jump cue, but it can be done. It is usually done using only the shaft, but this would be illegal by todays B.C.A. rules. I don't know that I have ever seen anyone jump a ball in competition from one inch away. It is for the most part an exhibition shot

http://www.bunjeebilliards.com/jc_specs.html
The Billiard Congress of America (BCA) established standards for jump cues. The BCA rule book stipulates these pool cue specifications:
- Players may bring a maximum of 3 cues to a match.
- Width of tip: 9mm minimum / 14mm maximum.
- Weight: no minimum / 25oz maximum.
- Length: 40 inches minimum / No maximum.
- Metal ferrules may not exceed more than one inch in length.
The cue tip may not be of a material that can scratch or damage the addressed ball. The cue tip on any stick must be composed of a piece of specially processed leather or other fibrous or pliable material that extends the natural line of the shaft end of the cue and contacts the cue ball when the shot is executed.
The tip on any cue used to perform a legal jump shot must be composed of either a leather or synthetic leather material

thanks
 
stickman161 said:
is it legal to use your shaft to jump balls with regular leather tip. i find a La Pro hard tip does a good job. BCA rules say it be 40", but it also says the tip must be leather or a synthetic leather. how many new jump cues has leather in the tips.
thanks
stickman161
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I'm a bit confused, I've never heard of a rule where you could not jump with a leather tip. Where did you hear that?

Now if you are talking about using JUST your shaft to jump, that is not legal, it needs to be a cue not just your shaft.

All those cues need to be buried in a landfill anyway, they make people think they are good at something when they are not and allow shots that should not be doable on a pool table. The WPA is probably just afraid to lose sponsor money if they ban jump cues, I have yet to hear a pro say they'd want jump cues in the rules, the all say they use them because others do. If given the option, they would have no jump cues.
 
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hang-the-9 said:
I'm a bit confused, I've never heard of a rule where you could not jump with a leather tip. Where did you hear that?

Now if you are talking about using JUST your shaft to jump, that is not legal, it needs to be a cue not just your shaft.

All those cues need to be buried in a landfill anyway, they make people think they are good at something when they are not and allow shots that should not be doable on a pool table. The WPA is probably just afraid to lose sponsor money if they ban jump cues, I have yet to hear a pro say they'd want jump cues in the rules, the all say they use them because others do. If given the option, they would have no jump cues.
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i'm from old school when there was no jump or break cues. the 40' minimum length
was my concern
 
stickman161 said:
i'm from old school when there was no jump or break cues. the 40' minimum length
was my concern
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If you're talking about the length, then correct, you can't just use your shaft to jump.

I think that was a rule for a long time, but has been ignored in social play and even local tournaments that don't follow the WPA rules closely. Even now I see people every so often jump with just a shaft, but since none of that happens in any real tournament aside from a local one, does not matter that much. If the tournament sticks to the general rules of pool, then jumping with just the shaft is not allowed.

I wish that the standard length of pool cue would be set and enforced already, 56-62" will cover every possible player size and 17-23 oz would do the same thing for weight preference. Then we don't have to deal with the whole jump cue or no jump cue preference.
 
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