Jump Cues
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Pros - you can jump as close as a chalk's width away or as far away as table length if your stroke and skill level will allow it. You will have a wider range of options when you step to the table. Your opponents will have a harder time playing effective safeties when they know you have a jump cue.
Cons - jump cues are not allowed in all tournaments and leagues. There is the chance that you may sacrifice your kicking game because of the ease of using the jump cue. You might be tempted to "overuse" it.
I like the jump cue because it gives you a wider range of options and tends to even out the poor and unintentional safeties. Ball in hand rules mean that the player who gets ball-in-hand ususally has a huge advantage. So unintentional safeties reward the outgoing player and the jump cue tends to equalize this a bit.
Reccomendations: First - the Bunjee Jumper because I developed it
) Seriously, the Bunjee has many imitators out there but few equals in performance. Many have tried over the years but very few have been able to equal the Bunjee's consistent performance in all jumping categories. Those categories are, control, "jumpability", comfort and consistentcy. The ones that have managed to approach the Bunjee are usually more expensive. And none offer a guarantee as comprehensive as Bunjee does. Gosh - after that pitch you'd think I still owned the company - I don't - go to http://www.cuevalue.com to find out more on the Bunjee or htttp://www.bunjeejump.com
Now, what ELSE do I reccommend: Good jump cues that come close to the Bunjee are the Airtime, the Jumpster, and Jumpin James.
Like I said above there are many copies of the Bunjee out there and many CLAIMS that those cues are "just as good" or "better than" the Bunjee but in reality they are not and have never beaten the Bunjee shot for shot in heads up competition. I used to offer a $500 to $100 challenge for anyone that bring a cue that could beat the Bunjee in ten shots and NO ONE ever got the cash.
So, good luck and I hope your jump cue choice is a Bunjee. Whatever you choose please remember that it is not a magic wand and will require practice to master effectively. You can find a tutorial at www.bunjeejump.com that will apply to all jumping and all jump cues.
Cons - jump cues are not allowed in all tournaments and leagues. There is the chance that you may sacrifice your kicking game because of the ease of using the jump cue. You might be tempted to "overuse" it.
I like the jump cue because it gives you a wider range of options and tends to even out the poor and unintentional safeties. Ball in hand rules mean that the player who gets ball-in-hand ususally has a huge advantage. So unintentional safeties reward the outgoing player and the jump cue tends to equalize this a bit.
Reccomendations: First - the Bunjee Jumper because I developed it
) Seriously, the Bunjee has many imitators out there but few equals in performance. Many have tried over the years but very few have been able to equal the Bunjee's consistent performance in all jumping categories. Those categories are, control, "jumpability", comfort and consistentcy. The ones that have managed to approach the Bunjee are usually more expensive. And none offer a guarantee as comprehensive as Bunjee does. Gosh - after that pitch you'd think I still owned the company - I don't - go to http://www.cuevalue.com to find out more on the Bunjee or htttp://www.bunjeejump.comNow, what ELSE do I reccommend: Good jump cues that come close to the Bunjee are the Airtime, the Jumpster, and Jumpin James.
Like I said above there are many copies of the Bunjee out there and many CLAIMS that those cues are "just as good" or "better than" the Bunjee but in reality they are not and have never beaten the Bunjee shot for shot in heads up competition. I used to offer a $500 to $100 challenge for anyone that bring a cue that could beat the Bunjee in ten shots and NO ONE ever got the cash.
So, good luck and I hope your jump cue choice is a Bunjee. Whatever you choose please remember that it is not a magic wand and will require practice to master effectively. You can find a tutorial at www.bunjeejump.com that will apply to all jumping and all jump cues.
my feelings are this... one should always use a tool made for doing a specific job. But economics does play a part in this theory. A poor man cannot obviously afford great tools, so the poor man has to make do.
Just about every sport or industrial application, has grown in technology to make better tools to do SPECIFIC jobs.
I used a Jump/Break Cue, for a long time, but was offered to try a GOOD Jump Cue. The Break/Jump was history, immediately. Then I designed a Great Break Cue & had two (2) Great tools to do two (2) different jobs.
A GREAT Jump Cue is worth far more than $125-$150, players that use Jump Cues generally play for considerable sums of money & losing to "ball in hand", because of poor equipment is insane.
When you "have to fly" Whitey & you need to know that your straight stroke & your training match the quality of your equipment... you know you'll be there.
A Great Jump Cue has a stiff spined shaft, a very hard tip, it's light & about 44 inches long. A Great Jump Cue in the hands of a good player is like a Magic Wand
I have several Jump Cues, I get them from Auerbach Custom Cues & sell to my friends & competitors. When they see Whitey get over a ball within a ball, they are a buyer...
Just about every sport or industrial application, has grown in technology to make better tools to do SPECIFIC jobs.
I used a Jump/Break Cue, for a long time, but was offered to try a GOOD Jump Cue. The Break/Jump was history, immediately. Then I designed a Great Break Cue & had two (2) Great tools to do two (2) different jobs.
A GREAT Jump Cue is worth far more than $125-$150, players that use Jump Cues generally play for considerable sums of money & losing to "ball in hand", because of poor equipment is insane.
When you "have to fly" Whitey & you need to know that your straight stroke & your training match the quality of your equipment... you know you'll be there.
A Great Jump Cue has a stiff spined shaft, a very hard tip, it's light & about 44 inches long. A Great Jump Cue in the hands of a good player is like a Magic Wand
I have several Jump Cues, I get them from Auerbach Custom Cues & sell to my friends & competitors. When they see Whitey get over a ball within a ball, they are a buyer...
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Originally posted by instroke
"Now, what ELSE do I reccommend: Good jump cues that come close to the Bunjee are the Airtime, the Jumpster, and Jumpin James."
John,
The Jumpster that u mention - is that the Jumster made by Showcase Billiards or another jump cue?
I own a Jumster and it does perform very well when I execute the shot properly. I am thinking about purchasing a Bunjee jump cue for comparisons sake & to have another jump cue option.
"Now, what ELSE do I reccommend: Good jump cues that come close to the Bunjee are the Airtime, the Jumpster, and Jumpin James."
John,
The Jumpster that u mention - is that the Jumster made by Showcase Billiards or another jump cue?
I own a Jumster and it does perform very well when I execute the shot properly. I am thinking about purchasing a Bunjee jump cue for comparisons sake & to have another jump cue option.
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teeitup said:
That's the one - I misspelled it. Interestingly, when they first started making jump cues they used Bunjee Tips purchased from Instroke. I don't know what they use now.
John
Rick Howard,,,,,,,,,,,,WAKE UP,,,,,,,,,this is a question you can shed some light onto
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Diamond wood doweled with bass wood.
Two-piece handle and real leather tip.
Diamond wood doweled with bass wood.
Two-piece handle and real leather tip.
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The Bunjee beats them all! No cue mentioned has ever beaten the Bunjee in head to head competition.
John
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instroke, you got bunji jump on the brain. They are alright dude, but your biased plugging is getting on my nerves. Tell em where the BJ is made. Tell em who else the same company makes jump cues for. I had one for years and it ain't no better than the Blud Jumper I got for $40. (Wholesale) Thats a fact. If you want to make a commercial for the BJ, go do it. I know what the best dam jump cue is out there, so do the pros. That is why they are all getting them. I don't have to plug um either. You know when one is in your pool hall. Has a distinct sound and jumps over the moon.
Don P.
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Well Donald, sorry about it dude, yeah I got Bunjee on the brain cuz I introduced them, I marketed them and I put up them up against all comers.
The Blud jumper is in fact just as good because we make them for Leonard at his request. If you could read before you post then you would have seen that I said NO JUMP CUE MENTIONED SO FAR has ever beaten the Bunjee in head to head competition.
I already made the commercial sir - that's why I put in the disclaimer. And NO the Sledgehammer is NOT the best JUMP cue on the market - remember the ORIGINAL question - the question was about pure jump cues. But - Mike Gulayassee, the creator of the Sledgehammer and I have agreed on several occasions that both cues perform EQUALLY well.
The Bunjee is made in Taiwan, the Airtime is made in China, the Frog is made in China, the Sledgehammer is made in ??? Why don't YOU ask Mike and enlighten us. - I am sure that you will be surprised at the answer, and I seriously doubt that you will share it with the board? - so get off your pedestal and chill out. I just gave the board the FACTS.
There was a time when all the pros used the Bunjee and the Bunjee Jump/Breaker. Does this by itself mean that it was the best? Hell no. It just means that they were using the newest thing. I could list a string of accomplishments and LARGE sums of money won using the Bunjee that any other jump cue will have a hard time matching so I wouldn't be too confident in your assessments. I don't think you want to get in a pissing contest with me on who uses what - I guarantee you that my list is longer than yours and Bunjee doesn't PAY a cent to any pro.
No other other JUMP cue has ever beaten the Bunjee in head to head competition - NONE - the only way that many of them get close is to use a Bunjee tip.
Now, just to be fair, what does this really mean? I would say that in 90% of shots that come up that I would say a pretty good percentage shots that most good jump cues out there will perform just fine. But so far no one has EVER taken the cash from Bunjee by coming with a better cue for the same or less money. And that sir is a FACT.
Have a nice day.
The Blud jumper is in fact just as good because we make them for Leonard at his request. If you could read before you post then you would have seen that I said NO JUMP CUE MENTIONED SO FAR has ever beaten the Bunjee in head to head competition.
I already made the commercial sir - that's why I put in the disclaimer. And NO the Sledgehammer is NOT the best JUMP cue on the market - remember the ORIGINAL question - the question was about pure jump cues. But - Mike Gulayassee, the creator of the Sledgehammer and I have agreed on several occasions that both cues perform EQUALLY well.
The Bunjee is made in Taiwan, the Airtime is made in China, the Frog is made in China, the Sledgehammer is made in ??? Why don't YOU ask Mike and enlighten us. - I am sure that you will be surprised at the answer, and I seriously doubt that you will share it with the board? - so get off your pedestal and chill out. I just gave the board the FACTS.
There was a time when all the pros used the Bunjee and the Bunjee Jump/Breaker. Does this by itself mean that it was the best? Hell no. It just means that they were using the newest thing. I could list a string of accomplishments and LARGE sums of money won using the Bunjee that any other jump cue will have a hard time matching so I wouldn't be too confident in your assessments. I don't think you want to get in a pissing contest with me on who uses what - I guarantee you that my list is longer than yours and Bunjee doesn't PAY a cent to any pro.
No other other JUMP cue has ever beaten the Bunjee in head to head competition - NONE - the only way that many of them get close is to use a Bunjee tip.
Now, just to be fair, what does this really mean? I would say that in 90% of shots that come up that I would say a pretty good percentage shots that most good jump cues out there will perform just fine. But so far no one has EVER taken the cash from Bunjee by coming with a better cue for the same or less money. And that sir is a FACT.
Have a nice day.
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I use the stealth, good price, it works fine for me, does what I want it to do.
learn to kick
Maybe its just me, but I hate jump cues. I think they take alot of strategy and skill from the game. I love it when a tournament doesn't allow these cheater sticks and the guy that uses one can't kick a ball to save his life.
I just think it you can't jump with a full length cue then you shouldn't be jumping.
Maybe its just me, but I hate jump cues. I think they take alot of strategy and skill from the game. I love it when a tournament doesn't allow these cheater sticks and the guy that uses one can't kick a ball to save his life.
I just think it you can't jump with a full length cue then you shouldn't be jumping.
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Re: learn to kick
I take the opposite stance. I believe that the jump cue adds skill and strategy to the game. A player using a jump cue still has to master the jump shot. On a non-jump shot the player must calculate correctly the speed and spin of the cueball and on a jump shot the player must do the same with the addition of angle,trajectory and force. Playing against the jump cue requires players to master better safeties.
There was probably a time when leather tips/chalk were considered "cheater" devices but none of the jump cue opponents would consider playing without them today. And the last point is that cues are always evolving and what is considered to be generally "full length" today wasn't so even 40 years ago.
Of course - bangers will use the jump cue as a crutch and never learn how to use it properly or never learn to kick. So what? There are hundreds of books and videos out there that teach the diamond system and dozens of other methods for kicking, aiming and stragegizing and the minority takes advantage of those. I say pass out jump cues to everyone and let the cream rise to the top.
Talk about strategy - what about when Thorsten Hohmann pushed to a jump shot in the World Championships. That took some guts with or without a jump cue. Or when Bustamante lost $50,000 to Fong Pang Chao because Bustamante opted for a weak safety instead of one that forced a kick shot? The CROWD went nuts after both spectacular and successful jump shots.
A chalked tip only gives me the conditions to be able to spin my ball not the ability to do it. A jump cue only gives me the conditions to jump a ball not the ability.
John
thebigdog said:
I take the opposite stance. I believe that the jump cue adds skill and strategy to the game. A player using a jump cue still has to master the jump shot. On a non-jump shot the player must calculate correctly the speed and spin of the cueball and on a jump shot the player must do the same with the addition of angle,trajectory and force. Playing against the jump cue requires players to master better safeties.
There was probably a time when leather tips/chalk were considered "cheater" devices but none of the jump cue opponents would consider playing without them today. And the last point is that cues are always evolving and what is considered to be generally "full length" today wasn't so even 40 years ago.
Of course - bangers will use the jump cue as a crutch and never learn how to use it properly or never learn to kick. So what? There are hundreds of books and videos out there that teach the diamond system and dozens of other methods for kicking, aiming and stragegizing and the minority takes advantage of those. I say pass out jump cues to everyone and let the cream rise to the top.
Talk about strategy - what about when Thorsten Hohmann pushed to a jump shot in the World Championships. That took some guts with or without a jump cue. Or when Bustamante lost $50,000 to Fong Pang Chao because Bustamante opted for a weak safety instead of one that forced a kick shot? The CROWD went nuts after both spectacular and successful jump shots.
A chalked tip only gives me the conditions to be able to spin my ball not the ability to do it. A jump cue only gives me the conditions to jump a ball not the ability.
John
Re: learn to kick
Gone are the days of two-shot/push-out when making a spot shot and getting leave was a challenge, when safety shots were a strategy and required skill.
Enter into the arena, quicker games for television, games won on pure luck, thereby creating the necessity to have a jump cue in your case. If you can't beat 'em, you gotta join 'em.
ManlyShot
thebigdog said:
Gone are the days of two-shot/push-out when making a spot shot and getting leave was a challenge, when safety shots were a strategy and required skill.
Enter into the arena, quicker games for television, games won on pure luck, thereby creating the necessity to have a jump cue in your case. If you can't beat 'em, you gotta join 'em.
ManlyShot
Hey John, jumping with a jump cue is so easy that there is nothing to master. I remember the first time I tried a jump cue within 20 minutes I was not only jumping and making everything but was also getting shape.
I think the jump shot is an important part of the game, but just as long as you jump with a full length stick. My father was playing Rafael Martinez some 10 ahead nine ball, probobly about 12 years ago. Whenever Rafael pushed out he pushed to a jump shot, my dad was forced to let him shoot, more often than not Rafael made the shot then ran the table, the impressive thing about this was that he was using a full lenght cue.
If my dad was using a jump cue this strategy would not have worked, I don't believe in using equipment to make up for any deficencies in our games.
I think the jump shot is an important part of the game, but just as long as you jump with a full length stick. My father was playing Rafael Martinez some 10 ahead nine ball, probobly about 12 years ago. Whenever Rafael pushed out he pushed to a jump shot, my dad was forced to let him shoot, more often than not Rafael made the shot then ran the table, the impressive thing about this was that he was using a full lenght cue.
If my dad was using a jump cue this strategy would not have worked, I don't believe in using equipment to make up for any deficencies in our games.
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Big Dog,
You are right. If there had been a jump cues then Rafael would have been forced to play tighter safeties. Or was the problem that your Dad didn't take the time to learn to jump properly? Either way if the JUMP shot had been available to your dad then Rafael would have had to adjust to a better game.
Do you think that a leather tip makes up for deficiencies in our game. I mean obviously most of us can't spin the ball as much as Mike Massey and a leather tip doesn't seem to solve that problem. The jump cue only facilitates a shot that is already there, it doesn't shoot the shot for you.
Just because you were able to jump quickly and easily with a jump cue does not mean that everybody can. Which is to say that a jump cue can either enhance an already good player's game or hamper a weak player's game.
There is no downside to jump cues. Today's jump cue bring a plethora of shots that were previously unavailable, jump cues force better play on both sides, jump shots are harder than regular shots simply by addition of more variables to consider. Just like the leather tip brought a whole new dimension to the game so does the jump cue. Live with it and learn to use it or get beat by it.
I can't begin to list the testimonials of players, including pro-level players, who have told me stories of the jump cue helping them to win more matches. What's wrong with better pool and winning?
John
You are right. If there had been a jump cues then Rafael would have been forced to play tighter safeties. Or was the problem that your Dad didn't take the time to learn to jump properly? Either way if the JUMP shot had been available to your dad then Rafael would have had to adjust to a better game.
Do you think that a leather tip makes up for deficiencies in our game. I mean obviously most of us can't spin the ball as much as Mike Massey and a leather tip doesn't seem to solve that problem. The jump cue only facilitates a shot that is already there, it doesn't shoot the shot for you.
Just because you were able to jump quickly and easily with a jump cue does not mean that everybody can. Which is to say that a jump cue can either enhance an already good player's game or hamper a weak player's game.
There is no downside to jump cues. Today's jump cue bring a plethora of shots that were previously unavailable, jump cues force better play on both sides, jump shots are harder than regular shots simply by addition of more variables to consider. Just like the leather tip brought a whole new dimension to the game so does the jump cue. Live with it and learn to use it or get beat by it.
I can't begin to list the testimonials of players, including pro-level players, who have told me stories of the jump cue helping them to win more matches. What's wrong with better pool and winning?
John
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I agree with you - ManlyShot - nowadays a mediocre safe or a lucky leave is generally much more rewarding to the outgoing player than he or she deserves. Jump cues tend to equalize this somewhat. 2-foul nine-ball eliminated it altogether and the BEST player was usually the one who benifited from the rules.
John
John
Instroke, you mentioned matches won with a jump cue. The most important match won with a jump shot might be the sudden death rack of the final of challenge of champions in 2002. Busta played a snooker on the 7-ball to Chao. Chao got his jump stick, performed a table length jump with a half ball cut on the 7 and played a 3 rail position for the 8 and run out. How's that shot for a $50k ?