Jump Cues!!

Jump Cues

MG,

For me it is not a dollar issue. I have a "shorty" in my travel bag and I can use it. Some of those potential shots I kick at. I accept jumping balls as a "skill". Am I more skillful because I understand the fundamentals of three cushion billiards? Given the choice, I will kick 95% of the time. My dislike stems from the same complaint another poster had about the guy that can't run two balls, but can jump. Accidents happen in 9 ball anyway. Standardize that part of the game. I will accept the results either way. But until then, thank you USPPA and the Joss Tour!
 
bottom line on jump cues

Bottom line, all you need to know about jump cues. STEALTH. It is the best, I use it in world play and competition.
Price, $110 Buy from fastlarry@bellsouth.net boo coo in stock.

Any one not playing with one is a chump.

Who says I can't write a short post and get to the point dudes. :D
 
Andy,

First of congratulations on your trick shot and artistic pool skills! It was fun watching you on ESPN, even if I hate ESPN. (another story)

I disagree with you however on the issue of availability and cost. I never take into consideration the cost of playing pool when I am facing an opponent. Whether he plays with a K-Mart special, a housecue or with a $2000 Bender I don't feel the least bit sorry or intimidated by his equipment or lack thereof. Jump cues are available for $40 to $400 for any one that wants one. If a player doesn't have one then there is usually a bunch of players nearby who will lend one. It is a tool that is available for those that wish to take advantage of it.

The analogy is that one can get a professionally installed tip for $15 or one can buy a cheap tip for $2 and glue it on with superglue and not get the same performance from the self-installed tip. Should I feel sorry for someone who, for whatever reasons, plays with a tip that does not afford them the ability to spin the ball as much as they could with a properly installed tip?

In your chosen discipline the argument could also be made that the barrier to entry is cost prohibitive because of all the equipment one needs :-)) Darn it, if I could only afford props I could be an artistic pool champion. Now, without knowing me what do you think the chances are that I would be able to perform the shots you do even if you let me use your cue? I can tell you that it is quite slim. Same thing with the jump cue, just because one has one does not automatically make them a jump expert nor a lock to win anything.

Thanks for your input,

John

P.S. Fast Larry - The Bunjee kicks the Stealth's ass. We can jump for money if you want to.
 
cardiac kid said:
MG,

For me it is not a dollar issue. I have a "shorty" in my travel bag and I can use it. Some of those potential shots I kick at. I accept jumping balls as a "skill". Am I more skillful because I understand the fundamentals of three cushion billiards? Given the choice, I will kick 95% of the time. My dislike stems from the same complaint another poster had about the guy that can't run two balls, but can jump. Accidents happen in 9 ball anyway. Standardize that part of the game. I will accept the results either way. But until then, thank you USPPA and the Joss Tour!
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Would you call it a skill if the guy who can't run three balls kicks at the balls and gets a good hit? Why not ban books that teach the diamond system? I mean I can guarantee you that there are tons of people who have taken Tom Rossman's banking and kicking clinic who still can't run three balls but they can probably kick and bank better than people who are a few levels above them. Should we have some sort of rating system that only allows people of a certain level to learn certain things or use certain things?

I would LOVE to get someone on the table who can't run two balls but jumps everything in sight. This just shows me that they aren't working on the skills needed to beat me. I will put out a worldwide challenge right now that I will play anyone who cannot run two balls in a row for any amount of money. They can use jump cues, laser cues, whatever they want to as long as it fits BCA criteria.

I say that that the Joss Tour and the USPPA is out of touch with what real pool is about and I heartily disagree with their stance on jump cues.

John
 
fast larry said:
Bottom line, all you need to know about jump cues. STEALTH. It is the best, I use it in world play and competition.
Price, $110 Buy from fastlarry@bellsouth.net boo coo in stock.

Any one not playing with one is a chump.

Who says I can't write a short post and get to the point dudes. :D
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wow i was shocke at how short your post was, it wasn't one of your usual "novels" :D
 
instroke said:
Andy,

First of congratulations on your trick shot and artistic pool skills! It was fun watching you on ESPN, even if I hate ESPN. (another story)

I disagree with you however on the issue of availability and cost. I never take into consideration the cost of playing pool when I am facing an opponent. Whether he plays with a K-Mart special, a housecue or with a $2000 Bender I don't feel the least bit sorry or intimidated by his equipment or lack thereof. Jump cues are available for $40 to $400 for any one that wants one. If a player doesn't have one then there is usually a bunch of players nearby who will lend one. It is a tool that is available for those that wish to take advantage of it.

The analogy is that one can get a professionally installed tip for $15 or one can buy a cheap tip for $2 and glue it on with superglue and not get the same performance from the self-installed tip. Should I feel sorry for someone who, for whatever reasons, plays with a tip that does not afford them the ability to spin the ball as much as they could with a properly installed tip?

In your chosen discipline the argument could also be made that the barrier to entry is cost prohibitive because of all the equipment one needs :-)) Darn it, if I could only afford props I could be an artistic pool champion. Now, without knowing me what do you think the chances are that I would be able to perform the shots you do even if you let me use your cue? I can tell you that it is quite slim. Same thing with the jump cue, just because one has one does not automatically make them a jump expert nor a lock to win anything.

Thanks for your input,

John

P.S. Fast Larry - The Bunjee kicks the Stealth's ass. We can jump for money if you want to.
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I was first to do this in 1993, set a cue ball virtually touching a object ball, 2mm apart, put a dollar bill between them, jump the cue ball over the object ball not touching the bill, pot a ball in the corner and draw out of there.
I jumped over 26 balls, cold jump, no ramp ball, then cross banked two balls out of the corner into another corner and went through a rack on the way in. These are all on my video tapes, I am the jump master. I am the man.
Being such, I am qualified to tell you what I now use.
Stealth, what else do I want or need, I designed the friggin thing, that is why it works. You cant out jump me, save your money, I dont need your money, don't mess with da jump meister, The jump is what made me world famous. I don't need your frogs and all that other silly crap, this cue simply works and is all you need, period. It is also affordable and has very high quality. I rest my case. :D
 
OK, for al the people worried about the cost and the "fairness" that one guy can afford it and another can't, I say Boo hooo hooooo. Communist attitudes are wrong and this is a communist attitude. The guy who can't afford it can get another job or something. Or maybe he shouldn't have had stupid kids he has to feed or chosen to drink beer. His problem not mine. And if you can't afford a 100 jump cue after a little bit of saving, you don't have any money to play pool with anyway. Go collect cans or something instead. There, was that politically correct? :p

That said, I just bought a cheap old jump cue that was for sale at this pool hall. It is a lucasi cheapo and it was $60. Since nobody wanted to win 60 off me I bought it on impulse to see if I even wanted a jump cue. $60 is a bar tab. Anyway, it is easier to jump with one. I am not a great jumper and only practice them a little. So I probably won't use it a lot and probably won't get a better one. But that is my call. If I want to have a 10000 cue, break with a southwest like Fast, or have a handmade jump cue, I think I should be able to.

Tournament directors should either allow jump and masse shots or ban them. If I choose to shoot a legal shot, I believe I should be able to use whatever cue I want. The only reason to limit multiple cues is the delay. I don't believe in shot clocks or anything, and a player should not be allowed to change shafts every shot or delay play excessively. But if a player wants to have a break cue, jump cue, masse cue and a playing cue by his chair and can play without any undue delay it is his business.
 
No jump cues in Reno!

Looks like it won't matter which cue is better in Reno. Jump cues are being banned at the Sands. Best news I've heard this week, I hope the other tournaments jump onboard as well.
 
instroke said:
John

P.S. Fast Larry - The Bunjee kicks the Stealth's ass. We can jump for money if you want to.
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John, I was at the LA Expo in 2001. Bunjee was demonstrating their jumper there. So were Ned Morris and his daughter Melissa. Ned invented the Air Time and sold it to Stealth. Melissa easily outjumped the Bunjee guy.
So, I bought the Stealth Air.
 
Joseph Cues said:
John, I was at the LA Expo in 2001. Bunjee was demonstrating their jumper there. So were Ned Morris and his daughter Melissa. Ned invented the Air Time and sold it to Stealth. Melissa easily outjumped the Bunjee guy.
So, I bought the Stealth Air.
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AH SO GRASSHOPPER, ONCE MORE, YOU SEE, FAST DUDE, NO LIE.
 
Joseph Cues said:
John, I was at the LA Expo in 2001. Bunjee was demonstrating their jumper there. So were Ned Morris and his daughter Melissa. Ned invented the Air Time and sold it to Stealth. Melissa easily outjumped the Bunjee guy.
So, I bought the Stealth Air.
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I think you must have been at a different tournament than I was. Chris, the Bunjee Guy, easily outjumped Melissa. In fact, they spent a lot of time together at the Instroke booth working on technique, teaching people to jump and also the best way to present the jump cue. Melissa Morris is someone that I would bet on against most people in the jumping category. She didn't outjump Chris McDaniel though and she would be the first to admit that. She and Chris both spent a lot of time at the booth in Vegas last May and I have to say that she will be quite a force on the tour when she gets going.

Don't get me wrong, the Airtime is a fantastic cue and Melissa is a fantastic spokesperson for it. She has often been able to teach people that I had just about given up hope on. In head to head competition however it is my experience that given two people of equal skill the Bunjee outperforms the Airtime. Not by much though and probably not by enough to matter.

John
 
Smokey Joe Barton

instroke said:
I think you must have been at a different tournament than I was. Chris, the Bunjee Guy, easily outjumped Melissa. In fact, they spent a lot of time together at the Instroke booth working on technique, teaching people to jump and also the best way to present the jump cue. Melissa Morris is someone that I would bet on against most people in the jumping category. She didn't outjump Chris McDaniel though and she would be the first to admit that. She and Chris both spent a lot of time at the booth in Vegas last May and I have to say that she will be quite a force on the tour when she gets going.

Don't get me wrong, the Airtime is a fantastic cue and Melissa is a fantastic spokesperson for it. She has often been able to teach people that I had just about given up hope on. In head to head competition however it is my experience that given two people of equal skill the Bunjee outperforms the Airtime. Not by much though and probably not by enough to matter.


John, your namesake "Smokey" Joe Barton, AKA, Jesse Justice will out jump anyone with a full length cue. He can virtually do anything with his playing cue that can be done with any shorty.

Point being, if you have the stroke it doesn't matter what jump cue you buy. You can adapt.
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hemicudas said:
instroke said:
I think you must have been at a different tournament than I was. Chris, the Bunjee Guy, easily outjumped Melissa. In fact, they spent a lot of time together at the Instroke booth working on technique, teaching people to jump and also the best way to present the jump cue. Melissa Morris is someone that I would bet on against most people in the jumping category. She didn't outjump Chris McDaniel though and she would be the first to admit that. She and Chris both spent a lot of time at the booth in Vegas last May and I have to say that she will be quite a force on the tour when she gets going.

Don't get me wrong, the Airtime is a fantastic cue and Melissa is a fantastic spokesperson for it. She has often been able to teach people that I had just about given up hope on. In head to head competition however it is my experience that given two people of equal skill the Bunjee outperforms the Airtime. Not by much though and probably not by enough to matter.


John, your namesake "Smokey" Joe Barton, AKA, Jesse Justice will out jump anyone with a full length cue. He can virtually do anything with his playing cue that can be done with any shorty.

Point being, if you have the stroke it doesn't matter what jump cue you buy. You can adapt.
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Wonderful point, you can only compare jump cues if a machine tests both of them. Put two cues in the hands of two humans, the out come is meaningless. As I have said, I jump with a mop, the two world class jumps I said I made, you assumed they were made with the Stealth jump cue, they were made with a Falcon F21 58" regular playing cue.
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hemicudas said:
instroke said:
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John, your namesake "Smokey" Joe Barton, AKA, Jesse Justice will out jump anyone with a full length cue. He can virtually do anything with his playing cue that can be done with any shorty.

Point being, if you have the stroke it doesn't matter what jump cue you buy. You can adapt.
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Well, within certain parameters I agree with you. I can pretty much guarantee you that I can put a cue in Smokey Joe's hands that WILL cut down the number of jump shots he can make signifigantly. Great jumping is a combination of the player and the cue. Someone like Joe Barton can do things with a full cue that most of us only dream about and then things with a jump cue that most pros dream about.

Now, back to the Stealth-Airtime/Bunjee sidebar - I only say what I say because in the instances where I and my friends have gone up against the Airtime in head to head jump for jump competition the Bunjee has been the one that all players involved were able to jump more shots with. Of course, given practice and adaptation it is conceiveable that every shot ever shot with a Bunjee could be shot with an Airtime, and in fact after watching Melissa Morris perform, I know this to be true. Oh, &%&^% it, I don't know what I am saying.

Fast Larry, the Stealth Airtime is not the best jump cue on the market. It shares the market with a host of other jump cues that have been proven to be at least as good. I have personally, with my no-strokin' ass, been able to outjump better players than myself who were using the Airtime.

That's what I wanted to say.

John
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Fl responds

instroke said:
Well, within certain parameters I agree with you. I can pretty much guarantee you that I can put a cue in Smokey Joe's hands that WILL cut down the number of jump shots he can make signifigantly. Great jumping is a combination of the player and the cue. Someone like Joe Barton can do things with a full cue that most of us only dream about and then things with a jump cue that most pros dream about.

Now, back to the Stealth-Airtime/Bunjee sidebar - I only say what I say because in the instances where I and my friends have gone up against the Airtime in head to head jump for jump competition the Bunjee has been the one that all players involved were able to jump more shots with. Of course, given practice and adaptation it is conceiveable that every shot ever shot with a Bunjee could be shot with an Airtime, and in fact after watching Melissa Morris perform, I know this to be true. Oh, &%&^% it, I don't know what I am saying.




Fast Larry, the Stealth Airtime is not the best jump cue on the market. It shares the market with a host of other jump cues that have been proven to be at least as good. I have personally, with my no-strokin' ass, been able to outjump better players than myself who were using the Airtime.

That's what I wanted to say.

John
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Hi this is Fast; Perhaps we can then agree to dis agree, and agree there are two or three that have just been named that if a player buys any of them, he will jump just fine. Let the player himself, then decide which one looks best, has the best price and jumps well for him. You or I can never decide that, that is what the ultimate customer does for us.
 
fast larry said:
Hi this is Fast; Perhaps we can then agree to dis agree, and agree there are two or three that have just been named that if a player buys any of them, he will jump just fine. Let the player himself, then decide which one looks best, has the best price and jumps well for him. You or I can never decide that, that is what the ultimate customer does for us.

My cue looks great, the quality is super, it's $110 when everyone else wants $150 for it, it's affordable to any player, that is why it is number one. Want one email fastlarry@bellsouth.net. :D
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