Kamui original (tan, brown, whatever you call it) vs. Black

KMRUNOUT

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I thought this might be of value to some people trying to find the right tip.

I have played with a Kamui Black Soft for some time now. About 6 months or maybe a little less ago I switched to a smaller diameter shaft (went from 314-2 to OB Classic Pro...12.75mm to 11.75mm). I played with the Everest tip that came on it for a while, and loved the feel of the shaft. I then put on a Kamui Black Soft. Turns out, this tip no longer felt like it did on my 12.75mm shaft. When I used english, because of the flexibility of the tip, I could *feel* the tip flexing. I do *not* like that feeling. So I trimmed it down some and compressed the hell out of it. Eventually I got it how I liked it. But why go through all that work? I probably should have just used a medium or something.

So today I tried putting on a Original (Brown) Soft clear. I trimmed the tip to about medium height. I *really* like this tip. Here are the differences as I experienced them:

1) Brown was a *hair* harder than the black...but really tiny difference if any.

2) Brown was much less "flexible" than black. When I used left and right english, I did not get the sensation of the tip flexing.

3) Brown spins the ball a tiny bit less than black overall. Still, I did not get the feeling of giving up any spin. I just feel like the spin I get is more linear...the same amount of additional force gives the same amount of additional spin...as opposed to the black, which seems like its more progressive...as if at a certain point a little more force gives a LOT more spin. This shows up on draw shots for me. I feel like my draw distances are easier to control with the brown.

4) I don't much like the look of the brown. It seems to not burnish up quite so nicely. Also, it seems to collect chalk between the layers on the edge, which I don't like the look of. The brown tip sits on a black pad, which then sits on a clear pad. This looks kinda weird. Plus, on my OB, I have a black carbon fiber pad then a white ferrule. You end up with a pretty busy looking sandwich of layers. Overall the black just looks nicer. However, I should point out that I did not notice or care about any of these things while I was actually shooting a ball. Only when looking at my cue from the side. So I am willing to not care if it doesn't effect my shooting.

5) The brown holds chalk *awesome*. Obviously it's only been an hour of shooting so any tip will. I am curious to see how it holds up maintenance-wise.

My assessment is that if you have a pretty good, strong stroke, and don't really need that extra grip from the tip to get the spin you want, the brown may be a better choice. I would think most pro's would actually do better with the brown than the black. For what its worth, I am considered an "A" player in my area. I like to play for slightly fuller than average hits and punch the ball to the rail, using just a bit of english to get the angles I like. I prefer stroking the ball a bit more firmly to rolling it, but I definitely roll the ball a lot with english off rails for position too. So far this tip felt good for that style.

Hope this helps,

KMRUNOUT
 
your impressions of black and original (tan) Kamui tips perfectly fits the graphics table they have at their site. It compares all the range of their tips (8 overall) in regard with Hardness (Soft to Hard) and Elasticity (Bouncy to Solid).
If one looks at it it becomes clear that brown tips of the same hardness (S, M or whatever) are a little less bouncy than black, and the latter produce a little more spin than browns.
As for the messy look you've got, I'd blame burnishing process. If sealed with wax to finish the sides of the tip, brown looks just as good as black.

The brown tip sits on a black pad, which then sits on a clear pad. This looks kinda weird.
you are talking about Kamui Clear tips here, and they both have the same pad backings, only thin black pad is not that visible on the black tip. To avoid that Kamui could have gone over the top and use brown-colored backing for brons tips but that would have increased the price even more :wink:
 
I am glad you posted this, I was thinking about trying the black Kamui.
I have a tan soft now, but I like the way they play when they are thin so I think I will switch to a medium.
 
Most guys I know that have used both prefer the brown medium over any
of the blacks. Firmer hit with a lot less miscues was the general consensus.
 
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