Kamui Tip Hardness Chart..... very interesting

SK Custom Cues

SK Custom Cues

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Look at this

I have seen some people inquire about Kamui tips and the difference between them. If you click on a tip it will bring up a scale of properties.

Well, the chart will show you as much info as you can get without testing them on a durometer yourself.

I believe so much in Kamui Black Tips that I got a distributorship and carry nothing but those in my shop as far as layered tips is concerned. If anyone wants a layered tip on their cue I tell them not to bother with anything else and am so confident in these that I am willing to give them a short trial period and if they are not satisfied, I will buy them whatever tip they want and put it on at no extra charge to them.

This is just an example of my confidence in these tips and the offer stands only for my local customers, and no, I am not doing this to sell tips here on AZ....

SK
 
I'm not a seller either, but I switched to Kamui med. Super cue ball control holds chalk better which reduces miss cues. An believe me with my stroke I need all the help I can get. Skip :)
 
Good for you. I can't stand them. I had Rich Harris take them off my BG and put on the only tip that never fails, including at the price point. Wizards. Hold chalk, easy install, no mushy hit. Kamui's were ALWAYS miscueing and they always required attention. Wizards, put them on, play with them, cut them back and they are good to go. To each there own. Thats why so many brands.

tim
 
It's "To each his own", and try this. Don't ever touch your tip with your fingers, or eat while playing. It gets oils on your tip. Also, once you shape it (and not too round) and roll it with a tapper, all you have to do is chalk in one time every 10 or 15 shots or so. I used this tip one day for an hour without chalking staying fairly close to center ball, and never miscued. I have done that with several different Kamui Black tips.

Actually the three experiences I had with Wizards, I was having nothing but problems. Glazing, and getting unwanted hardness. It also doesn't machine nearly as well as a Kamui Black, not to mention the unresponsive hit.

May I ask you sir, what kind of Kamui tip you used? Thanks.....
 
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stikapos said:
Good for you. I can't stand them. I had Rich Harris take them off my BG and put on the only tip that never fails, including at the price point. Wizards. Hold chalk, easy install, no mushy hit. Kamui's were ALWAYS miscueing and they always required attention. Wizards, put them on, play with them, cut them back and they are good to go. To each there own. Thats why so many brands.

tim
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It's obvious every one that comes on AZ must enjoy shooting pool, so if it's something you enjoy cost shouldn't never be a factor. JMO
 
Ivory is one of the harder materials, meaning it doesn't give on impact. That is what makes the ball deflect off line. Tips work the same way. I think they try to compensate for this with the thickness. Very complicated and scientifically advanced system if you ask me. Very good.

hdgis1 said:
I found it interesting that the harder tips had higher deflection ratings. Why is that?
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hdgis1 said:
I found it interesting that the harder tips had higher deflection ratings. Why is that?
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I was wondering that also then had the thought that they may be referring to deflection of the shaft and not the QB.
 
StrokeofLuck said:
So is the "vegitable" tanning a word I've never heard or just a typo on the website?
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No, "vegitable" is a word I've never heard of either.

However, if you meant to say 'vegetable', then yeah, I see those everyday.

Vegetable tanning is one of the many different means of processing leather.
There's is also 'chrome tanning' of leather (Triangle tips) and there's one tip manufacturer that digs a hole in the ground and buries them for a year. Pretty weird, huh?
 
I switched to a Kamui medium brown on my main player about six months ago and love it. I find it much more reliable than the Moori's I was using. The Moori's seem to glaze much more often and it seems I just don't get quite as much spin when I really need it. I still have a Moori on my second shaft and accidentally grabbed it the other day and immediately noticed the difference the first shot.
 
Now that's funny. I too had nothing but problems with Moori's glazing over, but none of the same with Wizards. Machining them is a buggar, that is for sure. Very tough tip. But to me, that's what makes them good. More spin should come at the cost of more deflection. BTW, ivory deflects like crazy because of its mass, not so much its stiffness. If you could use a titanium ferrule, it would perform well despite being very stiff. Its a war at the hit. Deflection is about who wins the war. The cue ball or the tip. Another way to lessen deflection is to go with a weaker pin and a smaller joint size.
tim
 
I was thinking of going with the Kamui brand. Im a predator dealer and I just got a new shaft that came with the standard everest tip that Predator uses and suggest. I have to say I have no problem with Predators choice of tips and like them very much so far. I feel that if they thought a Kamui tip could lower deflection and hold chalk better over a everest, then they would use them...

Of course when you hear so much buzz about a tip you have to get curious. The only way to know as a player is to try different things, experiment and see what works for you. I have used Moori mediums for years and like them...The moori over the everest, can't say I can tell a huge difference. Although IMO the hit with everest tip is very nice, little soft but it will harden up...I think. I had a hard one layer leather tip accidentally put on my old Z shaft and attempted to use it and felt it was horrible. Miscued more that month then in one year.:wink: no seriously. Constantly had to scuff it. Also the hit I didn't like, which must mean I don't like hard tips or tips that start out hard...When they go from medium to hard I do tend to like that effect.

Is there anyone that has done testing on different layered tips...You know to see if they actually hold chalk better or what % this brand lowers deflection over "this" brand. I do find it interesting how Kamui claims lower deflections, higher elasticity..etc.
 
Let me start off by saying I hate the Kamui Blacks! They have to be the most inconsistent tip on planet earth! Each one cuts different and plays way to different for anyone who really can tell a difference.

Now let me say this, I do not like predator shafts and its just the god awful ping they make. Now if you take an inconsistently made shaft predator and put a KB Hard on it, they seem to really come alive.

SK - I think to only offer one tip to your customers may be a bad move once all the hype dies down for these tips. I personally play with a Med Kamui II. Very consistent providing you don't over burnish them. I have test each hardness of the blacks and I will agree that you can get more spin off them but they are such a PITA to take care of. Once you get them broke in they don't hold chalk for anything, esspecially master chalk, I use blue diamond only. At first they are wonderful but go out and really play with them for 12hrs in one day. They turn out to be a huge disapointment at least for me and for the majority of players up here. They created some wonderful revenue for me but to offer a free tip replacement if someone does not like them, you may want to put a time frame on that. I carry very few of these anymore as they just are not worth it when it comes to tips.

Now something for everyone to think about.....

Have you honestly ever thought there might be a proper hardness tip for each shaft and your style of play and stroke?
 
gwjackal said:
Have you honestly ever thought there might be a proper hardness tip for each shaft and your style of play and stroke?
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Without a doubt each player has a feel for their stroke and different combinations of shafts and tips make a big physical or mental swing in their game. I have a McDermott that played like crap with the original tip. I switched to a Kamui Black medium and noticed alot more consistant spin, but I had to constantly use my tip tapper on it. If not, I miscued after about an hour or so.
I also bought an OB1 and it hit better, but I wasn't too excited about the everest tip. I've switched to a Kamui Black soft thinking it will be a little less work. I haven't hit with it yet. I'll let you know when I do.
I used to have a Gus Szamboti cue years ago and put a hard Triangle tip on one shaft and put a soft Champion tip on the other shaft. The shaft with the Triangle tip hit very nice and solid with lots of feedback. You stayed near center and could spin the cueball all you needed. The soft Champion didn't work out so well. It was alot harder to control the CB spin and speed. You couldn't get feedback or touch on your stroke. I felt like I had to hold back and tighten up on my cueing.
I later bought a Meucci (older original) and used a hard and soft tip on each shaft. It played mediocre with the hard triangle tip and hit great with the softer tip...to me. Each player will draw their own conclusions and like different combinations. You have to try new tips until you find the right one.
I like to use a small amount of 'helping' english on most of my shots. After playing and travelling with world champions, road players and some of the guys that contribute to the pool mags and put out the videos, many told me about using a small amount of spin on most shots. That is my style of pool and can help you guage how I might use a particular tip/shaft combo. Each shaft plays slightly different. Experiment with new tips. Only you'll know what works for you.
 
I've used a Kamui black soft for 4 months now it needs no maintanence, chalks well and does not miscue, and i do play to the extremes of the cueball. I used moori's in the past but they just glaze over. My other option for tips is a crushed elk. I just prefer the lifespan of the kamui back. I probably play in the region of 15 hours a week sometimes more, and in 4 months the tip hardly seems to have changed.

I would highly recommend them.
 
gwjackal said:
Now let me say this, I do not like predator shafts and its just the god awful ping they make. Now if you take an inconsistently made shaft predator and put a KB Hard on it, they seem to really come alive.
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I just really don't understand this sentence...You don't like Predator shafts because the "sound" they make...Ooook, I kinda understand that. Although the version 2's "sound" feel better IMO...Then you say outside of the shaft sound, now predator shafts are really inconsistent? So you take what you say is a really inconsistent shaft and you put what you say is "the most inconsistent tip on planet earth" on that shaft and the combo = "They really come alive" Is this two negatives equals a positive, gwjackal, you aint makin sense here...?
 
John Daminato said:
I just really don't understand this sentence...You don't like Predator shafts because the "sound" they make...Ooook, I kinda understand that. Although the version 2's "sound" feel better IMO...Then you say outside of the shaft sound, now predator shafts are really inconsistent? So you take what you say is a really inconsistent shaft and you put what you say is "the most inconsistent tip on planet earth" on that shaft and the combo = "They really come alive" Is this two negatives equals a positive, gwjackal, you aint makin sense here...?
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How often do you do repairs on cues? The predator shaft has had some very serious QC issues. Some not even drilled center for there high tech front end technology. You say the gen2 souinds better? So when you load up the cue ball you like the ping it makes. Now onto the tip KB are unlike anyother tip. The inconsistent part that I am talking about is how much work you have to put into these tips. If your a true shooter and actually play a lot of pool you will know what I am talking about. But I guess if someone says something is the best then everyone will believe it.
 
I play with a predator cue with a triangle tip,I cut a kamui off of it.My cue is great and so is my tip,I tried alot of cues and tips in the last 20 yrs,and FOR ME thats as good as it gets
 
SK Custom Cues said:
Also, once you shape it (and not too round) and roll it with a tapper, all you have to do is chalk in one time every 10 or 15 shots or so. I used this tip one day for an hour without chalking staying fairly close to center ball, and never miscued. I have done that with several different Kamui Black tips.
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Not that I am trying to disagree, as I have never tried Kamui tips, but if you're never straying further than a tip's diameter away from center ball, you can play with a 10-year old house cue for 6 hours without chalk and you won't miscue.
 
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