KBP Tour Survey Needed

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We are going to setting up amateur 8-ball tours, similar to the 9-ball tour in the areas we already in. Could some of you 8 ball players give me some advice on what you feel would be the good race to numbers and a good place to find a good set of rules. It has been several years since I have played 8 ball and would appreciate the advice. Thanks so much
Kay
 
KBP said:
We are going to setting up amateur 8-ball tours, similar to the 9-ball tour in the areas we already in. Could some of you 8 ball players give me some advice on what you feel would be the good race to numbers and a good place to find a good set of rules. It has been several years since I have played 8 ball and would appreciate the advice. Thanks so much
Kay
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Hay Kay what happen to the Ga 9-ball tour..
It hard to have a 8 ball tour but no 9 ball in ga ...
 
We just haven't seen much participation in the 9 ball events in Georgia. It has been a problem for us but we are still working on it. We also thought maybe a different venue of play may be the answer. I know that Florida is begging for 8 and they want to keep the 9 too so that is the reason for the survey. We want to give players the games they want so we are trying so that the amateurs will be able to play and have some fun. If you have any suggestions or would like to talk to me further about this you can call me at 877-328-7449 or email me at kbp_amateur9-ball@gate.net. Also I will be at Twain's on Oct 8, 2005 running that event for Steve since he has a chance to do some teaching. Thanks so much for your input.
Kay
 
We run a local event here in florida every year and have a race to 6 winner side & 5 for losers side.

best 8 ball rules are BCA or World standardized
 
I think it would be very hard to have an 8 ball tour. Not trying to discourage you, but the amount of time required to play one match could be painfully long. And with the current turn outs I’ve been hearing about it could mean a two day or more event, unless you shorten the race. Dependent upon the rules, one match could last hours (race to 5) or a few minutes (short race and the 8 counts on the break). Also the longer the matches take the more down time for other players, which may be frustrating to the masses waiting.

Instead of trying for a tour, I’d suggest one or two events to test the waters first.

I truly hope it works out, whatever decision you make the more pool the better.

Rick
 
deadstroke32 said:
Hay Kay what happen to the Ga 9-ball tour..
It hard to have a 8 ball tour but no 9 ball in ga ...
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The Georgia tour will be at Mr Cue's in Atlanta on Sunday August 21 and at Murphys Brass Rail in Athens on Saturday Sept 17.
The turnouts in Georgia have been less than we here hoping for this year, but we are continuing with the schedule as planned and hoping to see the number of players, and consequently the payouts, improve over the remainder of the year. There are still 6 events scheduled on the Georgia schedule for 2005.
Steve
 
For your general public "C" players...

Around here for 8-ball, race to 1 gets the most players. Race to 2 and the numbers start dwindling.

If the tournament is in the evening - Sunday through Thursday, then race to 1 gets the most people, they will play in a race to 2 once, then never return. People need to get up early to go to work and race to 2 just lasts too late.

There are some very good (young early 20's) players who I have seen win all their matches, then have to wait an hour for their next match (for those in the losers bracket to catch up), and gripe like there is no tommorow about having to wait "so long" to play. Then they will not play in the tournament again because of the "waiting time" to play. (I can't imagine these people playing in a two day tournament where they might need to wait 6 hours for their next match :D )

I think there are a lot of impatient people around these days. It is a TV/Video game world we are living in...
 
Thanks for the input Billy Bob. I have still a lot to look at but I know about the waiting thing. I try to run the 9-Ball events as even as I can and so far its going pretty good. Sometimes you get some slow players that you have to work around but that's ok as long as all are having fun. If you have any other advice I'd really appreciate it
Kay
 
KBP said:
Thanks for the input Billy Bob. I have still a lot to look at but I know about the waiting thing. I try to run the 9-Ball events as even as I can and so far its going pretty good. Sometimes you get some slow players that you have to work around but that's ok as long as all are having fun. If you have any other advice I'd really appreciate it
Kay
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Other than that, it would be just general tournament things...

Choosing rules which avoid problems. BCA probably best. Some bar players don't like ball-in-hand, but if they are taught, they catch on quickly.

But anything like bar rules - call your specific shot - which ball hits which, etc. is an invitation for arguments.

Open after the break (BCA-OK) is good because it helps to move things along.

And not having posted written rules and rules which cover everything is argument time. Again BCA rules best.
http://www.playbca.com/rules/gen.php

Having a ref handy is a good thing. Their word is final and that is that! May want to have something in writing about how to call a ref over to watch a hit *before* the hit.

Then maybe let players select poker chips with numbers written on the opposite side for the draw. Then *they* selected their starting place and can't gripe about who they are matched against.

Basically having everything in writing and posted is a good idea. Someone says "No one told me!", just say "Well there it is. Been there all tournament..."
 
KBP said:
We just haven't seen much participation in the 9 ball events in Georgia. It has been a problem for us but we are still working on it. We also thought maybe a different venue of play may be the answer. I know that Florida is begging for 8 and they want to keep the 9 too so that is the reason for the survey. We want to give players the games they want so we are trying so that the amateurs will be able to play and have some fun. If you have any suggestions or would like to talk to me further about this you can call me at 877-328-7449 or email me at kbp_amateur9-ball@gate.net. Also I will be at Twain's on Oct 8, 2005 running that event for Steve since he has a chance to do some teaching. Thanks so much for your input.
Kay
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It appears your turnouts for all of your divisions are fading fast as well as your so called tour. Do you ever wonder why you arent getting turnouts???
 
steadyneddy said:
It appears your turnouts for all of your divisions are fading fast as well as your so called tour. Do you ever wonder why you arent getting turnouts???
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That is not even close to correct. We are having the best season ever in the Carolina division. Part of the problem is that I live in Carolina and run both the Carolina and Georgia division. I obviously know the players and room owners in my own area better than I do the ones two states away, so I think I have been more successful promoting it in my own area. I'm not having any problem getting players for the Carolina division, and Florida does even better. Any time you start something in a new area, it takes time to gain acceptance. I can tell you that the players in Carolina look forward to each event, and the hits on my website where I post results and standings tell me that they are following things very closely. What makes you think turnouts are fading???
 
pooltchr, I didn't respond to this because he is probaly the Ned that is the previous TD in the Lake Michigan area boyfriend or whatever. He is just trying to defend her and keep the issues stired up.
We are moving on and working on the events in all areas to build them up. We are having good seasons in several of the divisions and we are looking forward to more coming on board next year. It takes a couple of seasons to get things built up as you well know and it takes dedication which you and I both have. You have to know the game to be able to see what the players want and need and we have managed to do that. People that are out for themselves don't understand it. They are not as dedicated as you, I and the other TD's whose divisions are doing great. Time will tell all and its like someone told me you've got what you need to make this work. We are well liked and work hard for what we do with little or no monetary gain. Its people like these that do not understand the game or the dedication. Thanks Steve for your input.
Kay
 
KBP said:
Thanks for the input Billy Bob. I have still a lot to look at but I know about the waiting thing. I try to run the 9-Ball events as even as I can and so far its going pretty good. Sometimes you get some slow players that you have to work around but that's ok as long as all are having fun. If you have any other advice I'd really appreciate it
Kay
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A race to 2 in the winners and race to 1 in the losers is a nice compromise for different levels of players. "C" players have a better chance in a race to 1, but they don't realize that or like that because they want to at least get 2-3 games for their entry money. Keep them happy.

Sitting and waiting is the biggest problem, imho, and the reason I don't go to tournaments as much as I'd like. I'm not to keen on sitting in a smoky bar for 6 or 7 hours and then driving home at 2:00 am after having gotten fourth place and winning $20. :eek:

Start on time and NEVER allow someone to walk in late and play...NEVER. These two things will kill a tourney faster than any others.

fwiw,

Jeff Livingston
 
Another question for the pool players

Since Jeff brought this up I'd like to see how you feel about people coming in a little behind schedule and buying into the buys if the play hasn't begun or only the first set of tables been called. In Florida I use 64 and 128 brackets so sometimes it takes about two rounds to get through the 1st sets. Just wondered because some players say they dont' care more money in the pot and some say no. Just wanted to ask
kay

And again I really appreciate all the input I can get. It really helps out on a lot of decisions you have to make running tournaments.
 
KBP said:
Since Jeff brought this up I'd like to see how you feel about people coming in a little behind schedule and buying into the buys if the play hasn't begun or only the first set of tables been called.
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IMO, if it doesn’t happen too often, let them take a bye spot before the first round is over.

Rick
 
hustlefinger said:
IMO, if it doesn’t happen too often, let them take a bye spot before the first round is over.

Rick
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If you do this, at lot of players will be gone and will NEVER return---NEVER.

It is not fair to those who show up on time.

And usually it is the better players who show up late, and because they're good, they think they deserve special privleges. The lessor players really resent this as they've now been in the smoky bar for an hour or more (and spending money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and look forward to good chance at winning and then BAM! in comes Mr. Hotshot, too good to be punctual and ready to "rob" the tourney.

This will kill a tourney faster than any other thing. I've seen it happen too many times.

Jeff Livingston
 
I think that this would hurt a tournament. Wouldn't that encourage everyone to try and be late to the next one so that they might get the bye?
 
chefjeff said:
If you do this, at lot of players will be gone and will NEVER return---NEVER.

It is not fair to those who show up on time.

And usually it is the better players who show up late, and because they're good, they think they deserve special privleges. The lessor players really resent this as they've now been in the smoky bar for an hour or more (and spending money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) and look forward to good chance at winning and then BAM! in comes Mr. Hotshot, too good to be punctual and ready to "rob" the tourney.

This will kill a tourney faster than any other thing. I've seen it happen too many times.

Jeff Livingston
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People are late for various reasons and since this is an amateur tour. I feel that some leniency should be considered. If you have the same player showing up late repeatedly then that should be handled differently.

I disagree with your scenario. Players will still play if byes are sold. And I don’t believe the better players would intentionally show up late. Most would like to arrive early to get a feel for the tables and loosen up. I think you’re over dramatizing the ‘Mr. Hotshot’ scenario.

Rick
 
davidhop said:
I think that this would hurt a tournament. Wouldn't that encourage everyone to try and be late to the next one so that they might get the bye?
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David, normally the byes are determined before the draw and spread out evenly. Say you have 54 players. Using a tourney chart for 64, there would be 10 byes and should be divided equally. Then the players are drawn, 10 of which would be matched against a bye spot. When a player arrives late and allowed to play, he/she would replace one of those 10 bye spots.

Rick
 
I think with the players showing up late issue, it depends on the situation.

For tournaments held weekday evenings and say starting at 7:00 PM, sometimes you get one or two people who get off work at 6, then can only get there at say 7:10 or whatever. But they always show up at 7:10. You can count on them.

Other than that, I think you should charge a late fee, just a dollar extra. (Only if there are byes available.) This will get them showing up on time, and they will scream bloody murder at having to pay that extra dollar!

But have a FIRM policy on this whatever it is. Say does not matter if you call ahead or whatever, if you are late, you *must* pay the extra dollar - period!
 
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