Kevin The Great!

I think anytime you type your email address into a PC, it becomes available to open parties. I have several email addresses for different things: personal correspondance, business, and a yahoo account for the little boxes on forms that ask for your email address, because I know my email address is subject to receive offers from other companies. And btw, since I have signed up for updates on the IPT website with the latter, I've only received emails regarding the IPT... nothing from Natural Cures or anything else.
 
jay helfert said:
I wouldn't exactly call a 16 million dollar commitment specualtive.

Jay
Until the first event is run - its success is speculative. That's what I meant by that. Wait until the event HAPPENS and then say how great he is. There was a lot of hope for the XFL but despite all of the money behind it - it crashed and burned and had a horrific death. I view this thread as premature ass kissing because nothing has happened yet. Once the IPT is launched he has to keep it afloat. The hard work has not begun for the IPT yet. It's a process and there is a risk of failure involved. Anyone that says that there isn't is only fooling themselves. That $16 Million commitment is also a $16 Million gamble. You of all people know that better than anybody.
 
straybullet said:
Jay
Until the first event is run - its success is speculative. That's what I meant by that. Wait until the event HAPPENS and then say how great he is. There was a lot of hope for the XFL but despite all of the money behind it - it crashed and burned and had a horrific death. I view this thread as premature ass kissing because nothing has happened yet. Once the IPT is launched he has to keep it afloat. The hard work has not begun for the IPT yet. It's a process and there is a risk of failure involved. Anyone that says that there isn't is only fooling themselves. That $16 Million commitment is also a $16 Million gamble. You of all people know that better than anybody.

There is definitely a good bit of ass-kissing going on as well as a fair bit of persecution. And, in fairness, this board would be useless if only one opinion were allowed.

As far as praise goes though, Kevin definitely deserves more praise than condemnation for what he has committed so far. The Invitational will be a success, because it will have 100% participation, 100% payout and is 100% guaranteed. What is a more fitting way for pool to spring into the national spotlight than for a controversial billionaire to gamble his pocket change on it?

3 million books at $30 bucks apiece gives him enough profit to fund this puppy for a couple years. Not to mention how much more he will sell when the book is on TV in primetime.

John
 
onepocketchump said:
3 million books at $30 bucks apiece gives him enough profit to fund this puppy for a couple years. Not to mention how much more he will sell when the book is on TV in primetime.

John

This where you lost me.. I really like what you said in your post.. before this.. why would anyone care about his book? What does it have to do with pool? Maybe I'm still missing something. Am I? I understand he has a lot of money, but is the success of the IPT depending on whether or not a book sells? I spoke with someone about this the other day and they brought up Lorenzo Fertitta who bought into the UFC. That was an interesting deal where they found money attached to political connections within the Nevada State Athletic Commission. It might be apples and oranges, but if you do a little research on that deal, you will see that they covered all of their bases. Less than 10 years ago they had no platform and they were trying to shut them down. Look at them now. Compare that to what Mr. Trudeau is doing with pool. It is an excellent comparison to what is going on with pool right now. Building anything on shaky ground could be very dangerous. I'm not persecuting him, I'm just being realistic. I think its great what he's doing. I just don't see how he is going to make money from this. That's what business is about - making money - not giving it away.
 
straybullet said:
This where you lost me.. I really like what you said in your post.. before this.. why would anyone care about his book? What does it have to do with pool? Maybe I'm still missing something. Am I? I understand he has a lot of money, but is the success of the IPT depending on whether or not a book sells? I spoke with someone about this the other day and they brought up Lorenzo Fertitta who bought into the UFC. That was an interesting deal where they found money attached to political connections within the Nevada State Athletic Commission. It might be apples and oranges, but if you do a little research on that deal, you will see that they covered all of their bases. Less than 10 years ago they had no platform and they were trying to shut them down. Look at them now. Compare that to what Mr. Trudeau is doing with pool. It is an excellent comparison to what is going on with pool right now. Building anything on shaky ground could be very dangerous. I'm not persecuting him, I'm just being realistic. I think its great what he's doing. I just don't see how he is going to make money from this. That's what business is about - making money - not giving it away.

Kevin has stated that he is doing this to promote his book and companion website. So far the book has reportedly sold 3 million copies and this info was over a month ago. Kevin has also stated that other businesses are interested in getting in on the action and that he sees no need to share the avenue since if the vehicle is lucrative for them then it is better to use it for
his businesses. So it's simple math to figure that he's already made enough off of the book sales to fund the tour for the first couple years at least. The tour by itself is not what is intended to make money at the beginning. Right now it is intended to help sell more books.

If all goes well then the tour will be a self-sustaining entity after two years. And if not, then hopefully the sales will continue to be enought to fund it. You can be sure that Kevin is not just giving money away. He is investing it iinto building what he thinks will become a viable property. If he builds a tour which proves that it can generate signifigant viewership then he will have a self-sustaining entity which will draw other big time investors to it.

Just like anyone else who starts a venture, this one has a plan and a model for success. It's funded to a point and then the market will decide if it can flourish or not. Better than the pipe dreams that so many other ventures in pool have been built on.

You would probably agree that there were those who wondered if Walt Disney wasn't nuts to spend the money he did building Disneyland. But your paycheck is proof enough that it took a man of vision and means to do it.

Hell, my boss employs 18 people because he thought it woud be cool to put a laser pointer in a pool stick and invest in that.

I don't know about the UFC, but I think it is a pretty good comparison in that it took entrepeneurs with vision and means to take a marginal sport with little recognition and low payouts and turn into a profitable and attractive property with well compensated stars. And, as far as I know, the IPT isn't under the jurisdiction of any state's athletic commission's rules because pool is not really recognized as a sport in the good ole' USA. The WPA/BCA woud know about that. :-)

John
 
Listen here, Onepocketchumpsters... you leave my pay check out of this discussion...(didn't you read the occupation thread??? here comes the IRS.. Thank you John)

The reason I brought up Lorenzo Fertitta is because his family owns Casino's in California and Nevada which took care of the UFC in regards of having venues to showcase their product. Fertitta had held a position on the Nevada State Athletic Commission as well and had connections to get the sport recognized and approved. Connections in the gaming commissions didn't hurt either. However, the people within their sport had to do a lot of work to change things. It didn't happen overnight, and it certainly didn't happen just because of the money. Everyone from the top to the bottom had to be committed and they had to adapt to the changes that were being made. That is why I brought up that comparison. Do a little research on that and you will see amazing parallels to what pool is going through.
 
Okay. I am not sure where the discussion is at right now. I trust that you are satisfied with the business model that Kevin has outlined. Kevin isn't saddled with the need to get permission from the states to run his tournaments, as far as I know. He isn't concerned with getting or buying the blessing from any existing pool organizations, as far as I know. From what I hear he has been closely cooperating with the UPA and the WPBA to make it as easy as possible for their players to play inthe IPT. Some there is definitely effort on Kevin's part to work with organizations who bring something to the table.

I am not sure what I should be researching. I can see where pool is going. I used to watch it every Wednsday night on the travel channel. Now I know who Chris Ferguson, Annie Duke, Phil Helmuth, Phil Ivey, Chris Moneymaker, Doyle Brunson, and other poker players are. When I am channel flipping I will stop and watch a poker match. And I don't play poker, not recreationally, for money or onine. Once in a while I will play some on yahoo for a little while until I get bored. So I imagine and hope that pool attains that status, where it is interesting enough to enthrall and make people who don't play care about who wins.

John
 
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