Kick Shots on Various Tables

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recoveryjones

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A few months back I wanted to improve my kick-shot success rate so I took the time to get educated.I learnt 5 different kicking systems(diamond etc) for various table locations and situations.I also learned from Grady Mathews, Dr.Cue, Jimmy Reed, Don Feeney and Fast Eddie Parker videos.

Two pool halls I go to have Dufferin Challenger (Canadian made, apparently now out of bussiness) Tables and the learned Diamond systems are deadly accurate on those tables with my stroke.I can make a really high percentage of kick shots and I am of course very pleased.

The other pool hall however, which has the Brunswick Gold Crowns is a different story.On a three rail kick shot, the ball comes up a full diamond different.And no, it doesn't have brand new cloth which I understand can be influential.

I know that adjustments need to be made pool hall to pool hall, cloth type to cloth type and sometimes even table to table.I also know that the best players eventually learn to kick by feel. I also have learnt that humidity can be influential in effecting kick shots.

Gold Crowns are known to be among the very best tables.Has anyone else noticed kicking system irregularities on Gold Crown tables?It rains alot here in Vancouver and the pool hall withs the GC's is on the street level and perhaps is effected more by humidity. The two pool halls with the Dufferin Challengers are in the basement, perhaps where humidty might not be as prevalent.

Do you kick with systems or by feel? Have you noticed differences kicking on different tables. Any comments would be interesting. RJ

ps. With a little time spent on the GC's, I'm sure I can make the nessecary adjustments to KICK some a$$...LOL
 
recoveryjones said:
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The other pool hall however, which has the Brunswick Gold Crowns is a different story.On a three rail kick shot, the ball comes up a full diamond different.And no, it doesn't have brand new cloth which I understand can be influential.
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You don't mention whether the ball ends short or long. If short, maybe it's no surprise. On the corner-five system on many pool tables, you have to shoot to 2 from 5 to get to the opposite corner rather than 3 which the basic corner-five system says.
 
Bob Jewett said:
You don't mention whether the ball ends short or long. If short, maybe it's no surprise. On the corner-five system on many pool tables, you have to shoot to 2 from 5 to get to the opposite corner rather than 3 which the basic corner-five system says.
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Hi Bob, Here's the shot we are both discussing (for other readers reference) in question.
http://www.jimloy.com/billiard/kick1.htm

On the Dufferin tables this illustrated kick is deady accurate.Cue ball location 5 minus rail hit location 3 takes you to pocket finishing location 2. The math works.The four other systems I use are also accurate on the Dufferins. On the Gold Crowns it comes up one diamond difference on the long rail side of the finishing corner pocket. I imagine that is short, however, I wasn't 100% sure.On the Gold Crown it's cue ball location 5, rail hit location
2 1/4 and cue ball finishing location (with these adjustments) ends up being two. Five minus 2 1/4 = 2 just isn't right mathematically.

Why do you suppose the Gold Crown is off? Humidity perhaps.All the pool halls and tables use Simonis cloth and none of the cloth is brand new. Any ideas?

Do you use sytems to kick or do you go by feel? RJ


Any ideas why it finishes different on the Gold Crown? Both pool halls use Simonis cloth and the cloth isnt brand new in either place.Humidity perhaps?
I play in weekly tourneys at both these pool halls so I'll have to make adjustments accordingly.

Do you yourself use systems or kick by feel? Thanks Bob, RJ
 
recoveryjones said:
... .On the Gold Crown it's cue ball location 5, rail hit location 2 1/4 and cue ball finishing location (with these adjustments) ends up being two. Five minus 2 1/4 = 2 just isn't right mathematically....
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Does the cue ball actually land on 2 on the third rail, or does it land on 3 and then go to the other corner pocket?

If it lands on 2, the table is very strange. Usually, the spot on the third rail is very consistent, but the arrival at the fourth cushion varies a lot with the short/long characteristics of the table.
 
Oops!!! Made a mistake labeling the rails here.The Gold Crown starts on cue ball posistion 5, aim at posistion 2 1/4 on the first rail (instead of the standard 3). I don't know where it hits on the 3rd rail (will check next time at the GC) and ends up close to or in the corner pocket opposite on the same side of the table you shot the cue ball from.Hope this clears things up. RJ
 
recoveryjones said:
Oops!!! Made a mistake labeling the rails here.The Gold Crown starts on cue ball posistion 5, aim at posistion 2 1/4 on the first rail (instead of the standard 3). I don't know where it hits on the 3rd rail (will check next time at the GC) and ends up close to or in the corner pocket opposite on the same side of the table you shot the cue ball from.Hope this clears things up. RJ
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That's about standard for most pool tables I've seen. They play up to a diamond shorter (counted on the first cushion) than carom tables. On many pool tables, you have to shoot to 2 from five to get to the opposite corner.
 
Thanks Bob,There two main pool halls I play in and I will make system adjustments for both.One day this stuff will all come to me by feel, however, for the moment I am very happy with the kicking systems I have learned. RJ
 
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