Hi guys I know there are regular shafts made by a cuemaker and there are shafts like the preditor. I have a regular shaft and a laminated shaft on my custom made cue. I was wondering if some of you cuemakers like Blud or Mike Webb or anyone else could explain to me where this type of shaft falls into as far as deflection and accuracy.
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- Thread starter Rick
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the stiffer the shaft less deflection..
The stiffer shaft allows for less drflection on the ball because you are able to aim more to the center of the ball to get it to do what you would normally have to hit some of the extreme edges to do. At least this is what I was told. I haven't gone to a Predator yet, don't know if I will.
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not an expert by any means, but if you check out predators website they claim their shafts produce less deflection and more english because they are MORE flexible than other shafts. I guess the idea is the whippy shaft deflects more, so the cue ball is not pushed off to the side. A stiff shaft doesn't give, so it pushes the cue ball more sideways. Knowing this, I always wonder about the people who complain or brag about how stiff their predator is. This, like so many things in pool, is counterintuitive, so it is probably easy to get confused.
I also think a whippier shaft makes the cue ball deflect less, although most pro's use a stiff shaft because they are used to it for years and years, and already compensate for it
Purdman
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14.1, that is exactly what I was told. It only makes sense. I am not going to argue the point with anyone. Unless they have taken a Predator shaft apart and actually seen that 5 in. of it are foam filled, they can think what they want. I know the shaft deflects, thus less cueball deflection. Until someone can PROVE me wrong, I will stick with IMHO.
Thanks! Don P.
Thanks! Don P.
Don, Pred shafts cause the cb to deflect less because it's front end is very light. They even say it is.Donald A. Purdy said:
Because the end of Pred shafts are very light ( it has .250 by 5 inches bore and the ferrule is ultra thin and barely has a tenon), the shaft itself deflects OFF the cb before the cb itself deflects off the tip. Predator claims that the bore does not affect the shafts' rigidity at all. I believe that. I don't think the bored hole would make the front end bend any more than if it is not bored. The taper has more affect on the shaft's rigidity more than the bore imo.
Now, we know billiard cues deflect very little. Billiard cues are very stiff.
Bob Jewitt claimed the lowest deflecting shafts ( actually the ones that cause the cb to deflect less) are the ones which flex point is around 10 inches or less from the tip.
I think laminated shafts are good for those people who like thin or long barreled shafts but want to keep it stiffer as possible.
Imo, deflection is an overblown subject in pool. All shafts cause the cb to deflect when shot with english. It's up to the shooter to find how and how much it does it.
I sincerely think Predator shafts have created a ton of players with bad habits of juicing the ball. I know because I used to own one.
Purdman
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Joseph Cues, I have had three Predator shafts. I only like to break with them. As soon as somebody wants it, off it screws and gone it is. I don't like gimmicks either. I was skeptical about the SledgeHammers until I broke with one. Potted four balls the first try. Potted the 9 on the snap the second time. Made me a believer. Leaving the cue ball in the middle is my thing now. I got it down pat. That is more important than power. I am in a cast now so I can't break much. For practice I put the cue ball on the spot and the object ball on the other spot. Put the OB in the corner and bring the CB back on the spot from whence it came. Hell of a shot, cue ball control, and stroke practice. Try it, it coms to ya pretty quick.
Don
Don
Hi Rick:
You shouldn't try to play with a full shaft versus a laminated shaft. What kind of lamination is it. There are a few different laminated shafts out there. There is a 6 pc. pie, 10 pc. pie
22 pc. flat lamination and a 29 pc laminate.
You shouldn't try to play with a full shaft versus a laminated shaft. What kind of lamination is it. There are a few different laminated shafts out there. There is a 6 pc. pie, 10 pc. pie
22 pc. flat lamination and a 29 pc laminate.
Thanks Mike I had the pleasure of meeting you and having you clean up two of my shafts at the Joss tour stop in Quincy, Ma. My laminated shaft was made by Keith Josey I am not sure of how many laminations it has, the laminations seem to go vertically down the shaft. I got your business card and in the future any repairs I need or tips to be done I will contact you for your shop hours.
I believe that the multi cut pie shape laminated shaft is more homogeneous because its's grain direction is radial and not planar. Other shafts that have grain (planar) will be more stiff in one direction (through the grain) and whippier in the other (against the grain)- or 90 degrees one from the other. Some put a dot on the shaft and when pointed up, the non laminated shaft will hit the same every time with regard to grain.
The radial or pie shaped like the Predator does not play any where as well as the Predator. In fact it deflects more than a regular shaft. Predator technology is much more than just the lamination process. On the Josey cue, He uses a 22 pc. lamination as well as a lot of us. They do play stiff and deflect more than regular shafts also. I mainly use them for my break cues. They
are very consistant in weight.
As far as shop hours I am at your service when ever you need. I work days and nights to cover the different working shifts. I will be down for about two weeks while I complete this move and build the new shop.
are very consistant in weight.
As far as shop hours I am at your service when ever you need. I work days and nights to cover the different working shifts. I will be down for about two weeks while I complete this move and build the new shop.