Laminated tips
- Thread starter KingCarom
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whats so bad about a good hard regular leather tip ?
Bill, there is nothing bad about a good hard regular tip, ...in a Grundinger-esqe tone 
"People have been playing with them for years!"
Toby and Koko- While it's ture that shoe polish contains many varous chemicals, such as trichloroethylene, methylene chloride, or nitrobenzene, one quick hit on the side of a tip to finish it isn't going penetrate and delaminate the whole damn thing, or even weaken any of the boundary glue around the circumference of the tip.
I just don't buy that as the root cause here for a minute. The tip layers were not glued well enough, or evenly enough, to withstand play. That's they key for any good lamination anyways isnt it.... an evenly finished product?
"People have been playing with them for years!"Toby and Koko- While it's ture that shoe polish contains many varous chemicals, such as trichloroethylene, methylene chloride, or nitrobenzene, one quick hit on the side of a tip to finish it isn't going penetrate and delaminate the whole damn thing, or even weaken any of the boundary glue around the circumference of the tip.
I just don't buy that as the root cause here for a minute. The tip layers were not glued well enough, or evenly enough, to withstand play. That's they key for any good lamination anyways isnt it.... an evenly finished product?
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Ryle, Tips that are shaped with a tool is not the way to do it, in my opinion. Tools that are made with the shape of a tool with give a pretty finished look. However, after hitting balls for a while the tip will change shape. Now it's not the shape you need.
I have written about this several times.
I shape the tip with the sides tucked in [at the rim] a little more than what a finished tip should look like, I also give it more crown than what it should have. By doing these things and you hit balls for a while, the tip begins to take the finished shape. Most cue makers and repair people do not do this.
Some will disagree with me. But this sure as hell works for me and all who come for repairs at my booth. I care not what others do. My way works just fine.
BTW, not trying to get a fuss started. So, fl stay away, along with others who do not agree. Been doing it this way for 30 plus and it works.
I first made hard tips about 20 years ago. Very expensive, so now i have my laminated tips made for me. Check them out at the hopkins show.
blud
KingCarom said:
Ryle, Tips that are shaped with a tool is not the way to do it, in my opinion. Tools that are made with the shape of a tool with give a pretty finished look. However, after hitting balls for a while the tip will change shape. Now it's not the shape you need.
I have written about this several times.
I shape the tip with the sides tucked in [at the rim] a little more than what a finished tip should look like, I also give it more crown than what it should have. By doing these things and you hit balls for a while, the tip begins to take the finished shape. Most cue makers and repair people do not do this.
Some will disagree with me. But this sure as hell works for me and all who come for repairs at my booth. I care not what others do. My way works just fine.
BTW, not trying to get a fuss started. So, fl stay away, along with others who do not agree. Been doing it this way for 30 plus and it works.
I first made hard tips about 20 years ago. Very expensive, so now i have my laminated tips made for me. Check them out at the hopkins show.
blud
blud said:
Blud,
What is your opinion on shaping tips on the lathe, with a radius cutter??? (has worked fine for me, but i have not yet used it on any layered tips...), I don't "hog" the leather off, when shaping, just a few thousands at a time, and for those of you that know, C. Hightower offers one for sale, I DID NOT COPY HIS PRODUCT... i printed out a picture from his website, and asked my dad what he thought about it (as in, "do you think i should get one?"), and the next day, when i got to work, he handed it to me, and said "look what i did" with that $hit-eating grin... So don't blame me lol... if you want one, hightower sells them for $25+ the cost of the bit... it's a good deal...
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Thanks
Jon
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KingCarom said:
I've been using Talisman Pro H for about 6 months with no problems. I did have 2 Talisman WB H come apart but Tony replaced them with 6 new ones no questions asked.....
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I disagree with using a tool that has a set shape for shapeing tips. [Read back a few post]. I explained it pretty well. All tips have differant hardnesses. So i elect to shape mine by hand and set cut the rim in , and crown the tip as needed to come too shape as should be when it's seasoned.
blud
Donald A. Purdy said:I have watched Blud trim tips with a big pocket knife. I have watched Rick Phillippi just use his lathe and trim and shape with the tool. I like to use a razor knife with my lathe. What's best, I don't know, whatever you are comfortable with I would guess.
Don
I disagree with using a tool that has a set shape for shapeing tips. [Read back a few post]. I explained it pretty well. All tips have differant hardnesses. So i elect to shape mine by hand and set cut the rim in , and crown the tip as needed to come too shape as should be when it's seasoned.
blud