Las Vegas Next Week?

Cory in DC

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Who's going to Vegas next week? What event or events are you playing in?

I'll be playing in the Triple Play (now renamed Masters) 3-man event again, and rooting for my old 8-Ball team from Chicago, Egg.

Anyone up for an AZB happy hour? When & where? The Splash Bar gets a bit crowded, but I can't think of another good place in the hotel. Pepermill next door might work (the lounge part, not the diner part).

Cory
 
I'll be there. I have a team in the Masters as well, but I'll be sitting out. I broke my collarbone playing softball a couple of weeks ago, so no more pool for me for a while (doctor says 12 weeks, so no US Open, either :mad: ). I had planned to play in every Mini-Mania event open to 8-ball 7's and 9-ball 9's, but I guess I'll have to wait until next year for that. Damn softball... getting old sucks!

I saw a few AZB'ers last year, but I don't think there were any "official" meet-n-greets set up. I think Peppermill is a good idea. I'm sure some people love being immersed in Nationals at the Riviera 24/7, but personally, I like getting out of the Riviera every once in a while. I guess that's why I'm not staying there this year.

I'm arriving Friday the 18th, leaving Thursday the 24th, so I'm good for any time in between.

-djb
 
Yeah I'll be there playing in the 8ball team event. Get in late on the 20th and leave the 26th. I will also be playing in as many Mini-Tourneys as I can this year. Won the only all 7s one I played last year. Might try some 9ball as well, since I have never played APA 9ball I guess they bump you up one skill level higher than your 8ball rating.

Other than that I played some limit holdem while I was at the Riviera one night. We are staying at the Sahara down the block. I will also try to get out around town a little more this year. We were knocked out in two last year. And 4 or 5 straight days of 15+ free beers gets old....well ....sorta old.

If you guys aren't playing Monday night at 9:30 I play for Red Fir and will be playing. Swing by our match #77.
 
While you are in Las Vegas, and if you are playing any of the casino games that you get comp for all you spend! This is a BIG DEAL! You can get a lot free just for using your card. Don't be afraid to see a slot host if you play the slots. They give away a lot of great stuff and then you are on a mailing list for next year for more free stuff...

Go and get a players card and use it!

My slot host at the Riv is Chick, aka for Chickerelli. The office is next to Katy's Restaurant. Also remember to check on line for coupons for all the shops and food outlets at The Riv..

Have a great time all!

Eydie

Here is some info on poker comps:

Rule number one when it comes to getting the casino to return in comps what you deserve for your play at the poker tables is knowing that you deserve them in the first place. A Web site such as www.allvegaspoker.com is your first stop when it comes to learning about the comp policies of Las Vegas poker rooms. Click on "Reviews" for descriptions and ratings of the 48 poker rooms around town, both from the site's editors and legions of poker players themselves. With as many as 150 reviews for a single casino’s poker venue (MGM Grand), you can read literally 1,000 reviews of poker rooms in Las Vegas. The review format calls for quality assessments and ratings for room quality, competition at the tables, dealer service, cocktail service, and the all-important comp policies. (Many of the reviews date back awhile, but you'll quickly get the idea, and then you'll know what to ask for and how to ask).

A look at random reviews of a random poker room reveals that many poker players are faulty when it comes to freebies.

"Wasn’t into it."

"None that I received."

"Didn’t ask."

"Don't know if they had any."

"Didn't stick around long enough to take advantage of them, whatever they were."

"Was never informed of any rating program or anything."

"I wasn't aware of any comps (or lack thereof), so I can't really say."

"What are comps?"

Peppered among those, however, are some nuts-and-bolts explanations of the casino's comp system.

"I hear there's a free breakfast in the morning before the 8:30 tournament, but I didn't get up early enough to find out."

"If you play for four hours, you get a comp of $5 to use in the restaurant, but you have to ask when you leave."

"When I inquired about using the club card for comps, I was told they didn't take them. So how do you get rated?"

It behooves anyone who goes to a casino and risks his money at a game of chance not only to know how to play the game and to manage a bankroll, but also to get all the comps that are coming to him. In the reviews on www.allvegaspoker.com and other sites like it, you'll hear about club cards, dollars-per-hour comps, poker room rates, bonus winnings and progressive jackpots, and freeroll tournaments. Here's how they all work.

All players get free drinks. The quality of waitress service varies from casino to casino, but cocktails are a standard automatic free amenity to anyone playing in the poker room.

Next comes food. Many of the poker rooms can now swipe your players club card to track your time in and out. And many will return about a dollar in comp value for every hour you play poker.

According to the "Poker Room Comp Policy" at the MGM Grand Web site, "Players logged into Raked Poker Games will receive $1 in comp value per hour for their first 10 hours of live play within a 24-hour reporting period. The maximum comp value for Raked Poker Games is $10 per reporting period." Similarly, at the Wynn, low-limit players earn $1 an hour; players at $30/$60-and-up tables get $1.50. At the Gold Coast or Orleans, you earn $1.25 an hour for your first four hours, then $1 per after that; there's a max of $9 a day.

Not all the casinos use this system, so be sure to ask when you arrive; if the room isn't tied into the computer, find out how you do get food comps for your poker play.

Room comps are essentially unknown for poker players (play video poker for room comps). But the "poker room rate" is nearly universal. This is a discount -- usually around 25% -- off your hotel accommodations, which is arranged through the poker-room manager (don't call reservations to get the poker rate). Most Las Vegas poker rooms require from four to six hours of play per day to qualify for the deal. Keep in mind that the poker rate is per room, not per player: If the requirement is six hours, two people can put in three hours apiece.

Finally, the big thing these days is the freeroll tournament. To qualify to participate in a freeroll tournament, players must log a certain number of hours in cash games. For example, Station Casinos recently sponsored a $500,000 freeroll for which you had to play 75 hours in three months; the first prize was a whopping $75,000. The Venetian held a similar tournament. And the Wynn recently sponsored a $100,000 freeroll tournament where you had to play 30 hours in a month. While not comps in the traditional sense, freerolls are welcome freebies all the same.

Some casinos offer smaller tournaments, but on a regular basis. According to a source who requested anonymity, at some locals casinos, the actual tournament is rarely played. Qualifying players, all of them locals who know each other, simply cut up the prize money, which can get as high as $100 apiece. If you have to play 20 hours to qualify, that works out to five dollars an hour -- a great comp for a poker player.

Bottom line: No matter what you limit you play at, even the lowest, competition among the poker rooms around Las Vegas ensures that you'll get something for your action. All you have to do is know it -- and ask.
 
UWPoolGod1 said:
Might try some 9ball as well, since I have never played APA 9ball I guess they bump you up one skill level higher than your 8ball rating.

Definitely check into that. I asked my LO about the Minis last year, and he told me I couldn't play 9-ball Minis because I didn't have an established 9-ball handicap (hadn't played APA 9-ball for about 5 or 6 years). I told him I really wanted to play, so he exercised his mighty LO powers and put me into the system as a 9. When I got to Vegas, I didn't have any problems getting into the 9-ball Minis since I was in the computer as a 9, but I'm not sure what they'd do if you didn't have a 9-ball handicap. According to my LO, they won't let you play, but that may or may not be true - LO's aren't always right.

-djb
 
DoomCue said:
Definitely check into that. I asked my LO about the Minis last year, and he told me I couldn't play 9-ball Minis because I didn't have an established 9-ball handicap (hadn't played APA 9-ball for about 5 or 6 years). I told him I really wanted to play, so he exercised his mighty LO powers and put me into the system as a 9. When I got to Vegas, I didn't have any problems getting into the 9-ball Minis since I was in the computer as a 9, but I'm not sure what they'd do if you didn't have a 9-ball handicap. According to my LO, they won't let you play, but that may or may not be true - LO's aren't always right.

-djb

Yeah i looked on the APA website in the NTC area and saw this .pdf file for FAQ about Mini Mania. In there it talks about the 9ball rating if only played 8ball.
http://www.poolplayers.com/ntc/NTCMiniManiaFAQ.pdf
 
Several years ago you could play in 9 ball minis without a 9 ball handicap. Then it was 1 more than your 8 ball number and now I believe it has to be established already to play. I played as a 7 the first year as that was my 8 ball number and then 8 the next and then 9 last year. I'll be out there all week for the team event and minis so I am up for an AZ gathering. I didn't get in the 3 man this year but I wish I did. I'll probably see if any teams are short a player and try to sub if possible. If anyone sets up a time and place, make sure it is posted or send out some pm's to the interested parties.
 
Good look to you guys in the Masters.

I am not going this year. My Masters teams hav finished 5th the last 2 years and we were looking to try and get past that spot this year.
However the APA in all its wisdom took that away from us with a stupid rule change.
This year all members have to be from the same LOs area. Three years ago I moved to SoCal and ever since then each year I meet up with my old buddies from AL for some pool and fun. Now we can not play together.

IMO its a crock and a feeble(sp?) attempt to lock out some teams from years past. The real problem lies within the APA organization and its operators. Last year a team was allowed to play that had no business being allowed to play. Instead of having balls the APA did nothing.
Bad thing is that a LO actually put the team together.
One player later admitted that he was not in the APA before this and that
that was the only APA thing he has ever done.

I am curious as to what teams will be there this year. Its sad when a player cant meet up with his friends once a year and play together in an
event. Heck I cant even play with some friends that are 15 miles away due some stupid APA area lines.
Hopefully next year they will change the rule.
This year the APA told me that the LO voted the change in but I have yet to have found a LO that knew of a vote.

good luck to all the guys playing...its a fun event
 
frankncali said:
Good look to you guys in the Masters.

I am not going this year. My Masters teams hav finished 5th the last 2 years and we were looking to try and get past that spot this year.
However the APA in all its wisdom took that away from us with a stupid rule change.
This year all members have to be from the same LOs area. Three years ago I moved to SoCal and ever since then each year I meet up with my old buddies from AL for some pool and fun. Now we can not play together.

IMO its a crock and a feeble(sp?) attempt to lock out some teams from years past. The real problem lies within the APA organization and its operators. Last year a team was allowed to play that had no business being allowed to play. Instead of having balls the APA did nothing.
Bad thing is that a LO actually put the team together.
One player later admitted that he was not in the APA before this and that
that was the only APA thing he has ever done.

I am curious as to what teams will be there this year. Its sad when a player cant meet up with his friends once a year and play together in an
event. Heck I cant even play with some friends that are 15 miles away due some stupid APA area lines.
Hopefully next year they will change the rule.
This year the APA told me that the LO voted the change in but I have yet to have found a LO that knew of a vote.

good luck to all the guys playing...its a fun event
Frank--That's a familiar story. Last year was my 4th year in a row playing in the Triple Play, always with the same team. We were on the same regular APA team in Chicago for years, starting around 1994 or 1995. Then in 2004 I moved to DC. We still played together in 2005 (we were pretty psyched to take 17th place last year, even if that was a 16 way tie).

Needless to say, we're not playing together this year, because of what I call the same rule that caught you -- I call it the "Ashcraft-Kirkwood" rule. I argued for a while with the APA that we should be grandfathered, but no luck. We are all 6's and/or recent 7's, not world-beaters, and the APA has the paperwork to prove it.

On the plus side, I found a solid team to play with out of DC/MD, and my old teammates are going to Vegas for the regular team event.

BTW, the team that I think caused the rule change only took second. Sergeant and Idrovo (who, along with Ike Runnels, won last year's event) are in the same league op's territory. So they can probably play together again, though presumably without Ike (due to the no pros rule).

This is a stupid solution to a semi-real problem. The way they did it really screws players from a smaller league. If the problem is pro-speed players in an amateur tournament, then find a way to keep them out.

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Cory
 
So there must be more people going than just me, David/Doomcue, UWPoolGod1, and Dogginda 9.

Regardless, Peppermill seems like a popular choice. What about Tuesday at 10:00 p.m.? (There's a 6:00 and 11:00 round on Tuesday, so most people should be free around then).

Cory
 
Cory in DC said:
Frank--That's a familiar story. Last year was my 4th year in a row playing in the Triple Play, always with the same team. We were on the same regular APA team in Chicago for years, starting around 1994 or 1995. Then in 2004 I moved to DC. We still played together in 2005 (we were pretty psyched to take 17th place last year, even if that was a 16 way tie).

Needless to say, we're not playing together this year, because of what I call the same rule that caught you -- I call it the "Ashcraft-Kirkwood" rule. I argued for a while with the APA that we should be grandfathered, but no luck. We are all 6's and/or recent 7's, not world-beaters, and the APA has the paperwork to prove it.

On the plus side, I found a solid team to play with out of DC/MD, and my old teammates are going to Vegas for the regular team event.

BTW, the team that I think caused the rule change only took second. Sergeant and Idrovo (who, along with Ike Runnels, won last year's event) are in the same league op's territory. So they can probably play together again, though presumably without Ike (due to the no pros rule).

This is a stupid solution to a semi-real problem. The way they did it really screws players from a smaller league. If the problem is pro-speed players in an amateur tournament, then find a way to keep them out.

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Cory

I agree
I really enjoyed playing with my buddies. IMO its a very lazy rule. It actually makes the competition weaker.
Just as the lower skill rated players meet in vegas, become friends and then play events together the same can occur for the higher rated guys.
I have meet some great players and people there. Shared a beer with a few and each year look for them.
I am from a smaller APA area that really does not have a great depth of higher rated players. Even if it did I would want to play with friends not just with a guy due to SL.

My other gripe was that its not on their website. The entry form and rules do not or Did Not have the new rule in place.

There's a team from out here that will be tough. Not sure what their name is but I see them in the top 4 or so unless they have a breakdown.
Good players and good guys.
Good luck to your team as well
 
DoomCue said:
Definitely check into that. I asked my LO about the Minis last year, and he told me I couldn't play 9-ball Minis because I didn't have an established 9-ball handicap (hadn't played APA 9-ball for about 5 or 6 years). I told him I really wanted to play, so he exercised his mighty LO powers and put me into the system as a 9. When I got to Vegas, I didn't have any problems getting into the 9-ball Minis since I was in the computer as a 9, but I'm not sure what they'd do if you didn't have a 9-ball handicap. According to my LO, they won't let you play, but that may or may not be true - LO's aren't always right.

-djb
Last year, I did not have a nine ball handicap, but they did bump me up one level and let me play.
I will be there from Friday until Tuesday. I am staying at the Stratosphere, feel free to look me up.
 
Catch it ...

The Circus Circus used to have a heck of a deal on a Prime Rib lunch for like $7.
 
Cory in DC said:
Needless to say, we're not playing together this year, because of what I call the same rule that caught you -- I call it the "Ashcraft-Kirkwood" rule. I argued for a while with the APA that we should be grandfathered, but no luck. We are all 6's and/or recent 7's, not world-beaters, and the APA has the paperwork to prove it.Cory


Timberly,

Isnt this where your supposed to chime in and tell this guy he needs to step up and that playing the pros/semipros helps your game?

:)
 
Perk said:
Timberly,

Isnt this where your supposed to chime in and tell this guy he needs to step up and that playing the pros/semipros helps your game?

:)
I'm not so much concerned about semipros playing in the tournament as my team not being able to do so. If we get beat by world-beating semi-pros, so be it. My point is that whatever problem the APA perceives, they should solve it directly, not with a rule that hurts longtime teammates who've moved.

On the matter at hand, we're up to me, David/Doomcue, UWPoolGod1, Dogginda 9, and davidhop as people possibly up for a happy hour. Peppermill, Tuesday, 10:00 p.m.
 
yes

I will be out in vegas from the 19th to the 25th. My team did not make it to the national championships, but my close friends team made it out there. I am staying with a friend who qualified for the 8ball doubles tourney. His partner backed out at last minute and he had an extra bed in his room. I couldn't pass up. I hope to play in a few minis and also check out the las vegas que club. If any az'ers wanna meet up and shoot some let me know.
 
Cory in DC said:
I'm not so much concerned about semipros playing in the tournament as my team not being able to do so. If we get beat by world-beating semi-pros, so be it. My point is that whatever problem the APA perceives, they should solve it directly, not with a rule that hurts longtime teammates who've moved.

On the matter at hand, we're up to me, David/Doomcue, UWPoolGod1, Dogginda 9, and davidhop as people possibly up for a happy hour. Peppermill, Tuesday, 10:00 p.m.
I'll be there barring some very unusual circumstances. I guess we'll just meet at the door.
 
dogginda9 said:
I'll be there barring some very unusual circumstances. I guess we'll just meet at the door.

Now we're up to me, David/Doomcue, UWPoolGod1, Dogginda 9, davidhop, and theoneandonly (no women AZBers are going?).

Rather than meeting the door (it's hot in Vegas and people won't all show up at 10), I suggest we meet inside the lounge somewhere between the video poker machines at the bar (where I'll probably be) and the fire pit -- the bar and fire pit are about 10 feet apart, IIRC, so it should be easy to find each other.

I look just like this guy in the grey shirt:
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One last bump in case anyone checks AZB before heading to the airport. Meetup is on Tuesday at 10:00 p.m. at the Peppermill lounge.

Cory
 
Sorry I didn't get a chance to meet up with everyone Tuesday night. Guess I'll have to wait until next year. I was tied up watching my team get 5th place in the Masters and then watching the other team out of Raleigh (Robert Ray, Johnny Griffin, and Jimmy Faircloth) win the whole thing, beating Jason Kirkwood's team in the finals. The finals didn't end until about 2:30 am, so it was a long day - our first match started at 8:00 am. All in all, though, it was a good day - we got 5th, and our friends won it. My LO was ecstatic - he also had a Ladies' 8-ball team finish 3rd, and he got married at the Monte Carlo on Wednesday!

-djb
 
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