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Drake

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I believe all of us would love to see Pool and Billiards get half of the level of respect that Golf and tennis gets. I've noticed that Golf and Tennis both have one league system that governs all of Amateur play respectively.....The USTA and The PGA. Maybe we should take note, Instead of the BCA, APA, Pot 'o Gold, Valley, and others.....we need one. OR, Maybe one for big table play and one for bar table leagues. I had only played in APA and BCA until last year when a friend of mine put together a Valley league team. During the Regional tournament, One of my team members was playing and his opponent was bridging over the Eight ball....stroked his ball in the hole and the cue ball came back and made contact with Eight ball. This was the game that decided who advanced to the finals of the winner's bracket. I travel and play a lot and told everybody that I have never seen where this wouldn't be a foul. They bring out the rule book and do some searching and they find that it wasn't a foul by what they found. I was in total shock. If we had one League Operating System......Different Rules would never be a problem. And, It might put us on the right road to sucess for Pool.
 
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....One of my team members was playing and his opponent was bridging over the Eight ball....stroked his ball in the hole and the cue ball came back and made contact with Eight ball. This was the game that decided who advanced to the finals of the winner's bracket. I travel and play a lot and told everybody that I have never seen where this wouldn't be a foul. They bring out the rule book and do some searching and they find that it wasn't a foul by what they found. I was in total shock. If we had one League Operating System......Different Rules would never be a problem. And, It might put us on the right road to sucess for Pool.
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If I've got this right, the opponent bridged over the 8, made his ball, and drew the CB back into the 8. Why would this be a foul? I've never played VNEA league, but it's not a foul in APA or by BCA rules that I ever heard of.

If the CB came back and hit his hand or stick, yes; but CB contact with the 8 ball after a good hit? No foul.

Walt in VA
 
I apologize.....I left out the main part of the equation. He moved the Eight ball about 2 inches on his delivery stroke then the CB came back and made contact with the Eight Ball. Sorry about that, Not proofreading anything this morning.
 
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Drake said:
I apologize.....I left out the main part of the equation. He moved the Eight ball about 2 inches on his delivery stroke then the CB came back and made contact with the Eight Ball. Sorry about that, Not proofreading anything this morning.
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Let me see if I can get this straight. He moved the Eight ball with the tip of cue on the delivery stroke before making contact with the CB?

Just a quick side note,

The USGA & R&A are the ruling bodies in golf ;) ;)
 
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He was jacked up over the Eight ball and on his final delivery stroke his shaft pushed the eight to the side about two inches and then his cue ball proceeded to make the object ball and draw back into the MOVING Eight ball.

Thanks for correcting me on the PGA and R&A. But, I still believe that Pool would be better off having one league system like tennis has the USTA.
 
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Drake said:
He was jacked up over the Eight ball and on his final deliverly stroke his shaft pushed the eight forward and then his cue ball proceeded to make the object ball and draw back into the MOVING Eight ball.

Thanks for correcting me on the PGA and R&A. But, I still believe that Pool would be better off having one league system like tennis has the USTA.
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I also would like to see one league system(if such a thing could exist.) I play in a VNEA league, but also play with others that currently play or have played APA & BCA. Trying to agree on a game is tough sometimes.

Anyway I could only hazard a guess on your question. That rule would be akin to the decisions book in golf & I don't have a complete issue of a VNEA rule book.

I would say though that it is not a foul, because the shaft is what came into contact with the 8 ball & not the ferrule or tip.
 
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I also would like to see one league system(if such a thing could exist.) I play in a VNEA league, but also play with others that currently play or have played APA & BCA. Trying to agree on a game is tough sometimes.

Anyway I could only hazard a guess on your question. That rule would be akin to the decisions book in golf & I don't have a complete issue of a VNEA rule book.

I would say though that it is not a foul, because the shaft is what came into contact with the 8 ball & not the ferrule or tip.
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The foul (under BCA rules) would come under Rule 1.16.1 The shooter moved the 8-ball into the path of the CB, interfering with its roll and resulting in a CB foul. This would also be called by an APA referee, although it's not covered directly in the APA rule book. I'm not familiar with VNEA rules, so don't know what the ruling would be there.

I agree, uniform league rules would be nice, but I don't see it happening, as each league is marketed to a different group of players, IMO.

Walt in Va
 
Walt in VA said:
The foul (under BCA rules) would come under Rule 1.16.1 The shooter moved the 8-ball into the path of the CB, interfering with its roll and resulting in a CB foul. This would also be called by an APA referee, although it's not covered directly in the APA rule book. I'm not familiar with VNEA rules, so don't know what the ruling would be there.

I agree, uniform league rules would be nice, but I don't see it happening, as each league is marketed to a different group of players, IMO.

Walt in Va
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It should have been called a foul. I rules are the same in BCA and VNEA. The only rule that is different is eight on the break.
 
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