Letting the cue go
- Thread starter DeadStrokeMan
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Slip Stroke opinion revisited
There was an old guy in my home town that used a slip stroke very effectively...I looked up to him and tried to use it too...he saw me copying him and was (I'd guess) flattered so he came and tried to explain it. His explanation was centered around the position of his back hand on contact with the ball...he used the slip to get/find his ideal position before pulling the trigger...but when he pulled the trigger he had enough grip on the stick to prevent it from slipping. I see a great difference in this and the thrown cue or the cue that slips upon contact with the cueball. I have seen a bunch of preshot routines (that did or did not work), and have never felt it was necessary to pay much attention to them. Where "the rubber meets the road" is in the contact stroke...that's where I'm interested.
Some of ya'll are well read...I'm new here and feel kinda uneducated (book wise)...I mean, who am I to argue with the likes of Mosconi. I think we can safely say that he understood something about the game I have yet to notice. But I am curious how I might go about controlling a shot with my bridge. I have what I call an active bridge, in that, I raise or lower while changing from open to closed depending on the shot and I have a very comfortable jacked-up bridge and rail bridge. In each of the these what I look for is at least two contact points (not perpendicular to each other from the shaft) to give me tactile feedback that my stroke is true (not wavering from side to side). My bridge tells me whether my last alignment stroke(s) are true and therefore controlls my contact stroke. If this is what he meant, then I understand, but if not, then I am lost. Does he (Mosconi) say any more about the bridge?
I apologize for rambling but the set-up shot described by Rick W. (in my opinion) has a lot more to do with the contact point than the "amount" of spin generated. It is also my opinion that this is a very difficult shot to hit AND judge the hit with precision. If the cue ball hits the rail first and throws the ball down the rail, I have found the carrying motion of the cue ball is "used up" or transferred to the object ball. However, if the cue ball hits the rail and the ball at the same precise time, less of the spin (actually it is the angle of refraction) is used to propel the object ball and the cue goes further up table. The third scenario, which I have spent significant time working on, is where the cue ball contacts the object ball first and the angle of refraction is further reduced sending the cue away from the rail at a very acute angle. I have found this easier to study if the object ball is slightly (say the thickness of a credit card) off the rail. Interestingly, there is not much difference between the results. I attribute this to the question "how frozen is frozen". Just my opinion. You be the judge.
There was an old guy in my home town that used a slip stroke very effectively...I looked up to him and tried to use it too...he saw me copying him and was (I'd guess) flattered so he came and tried to explain it. His explanation was centered around the position of his back hand on contact with the ball...he used the slip to get/find his ideal position before pulling the trigger...but when he pulled the trigger he had enough grip on the stick to prevent it from slipping. I see a great difference in this and the thrown cue or the cue that slips upon contact with the cueball. I have seen a bunch of preshot routines (that did or did not work), and have never felt it was necessary to pay much attention to them. Where "the rubber meets the road" is in the contact stroke...that's where I'm interested.
Some of ya'll are well read...I'm new here and feel kinda uneducated (book wise)...I mean, who am I to argue with the likes of Mosconi. I think we can safely say that he understood something about the game I have yet to notice. But I am curious how I might go about controlling a shot with my bridge. I have what I call an active bridge, in that, I raise or lower while changing from open to closed depending on the shot and I have a very comfortable jacked-up bridge and rail bridge. In each of the these what I look for is at least two contact points (not perpendicular to each other from the shaft) to give me tactile feedback that my stroke is true (not wavering from side to side). My bridge tells me whether my last alignment stroke(s) are true and therefore controlls my contact stroke. If this is what he meant, then I understand, but if not, then I am lost. Does he (Mosconi) say any more about the bridge?
I apologize for rambling but the set-up shot described by Rick W. (in my opinion) has a lot more to do with the contact point than the "amount" of spin generated. It is also my opinion that this is a very difficult shot to hit AND judge the hit with precision. If the cue ball hits the rail first and throws the ball down the rail, I have found the carrying motion of the cue ball is "used up" or transferred to the object ball. However, if the cue ball hits the rail and the ball at the same precise time, less of the spin (actually it is the angle of refraction) is used to propel the object ball and the cue goes further up table. The third scenario, which I have spent significant time working on, is where the cue ball contacts the object ball first and the angle of refraction is further reduced sending the cue away from the rail at a very acute angle. I have found this easier to study if the object ball is slightly (say the thickness of a credit card) off the rail. Interestingly, there is not much difference between the results. I attribute this to the question "how frozen is frozen". Just my opinion. You be the judge.
JimS said:
its known as a stroke-slip, the exact opposite of a slip-stroke.
the difference being when the backhand is moved on the cue........before or during the stroke.
VAP
vapoolplayer said:
LOL - Ok ...we're exaggerating ! - But you know the shots ...that look impossible. Gosh...lets knitPic
vapoolplayer said:
Slip Stroke and Stroke Slip go hand in hand. The idea is allow the cue to absorb the maximum amount of energy, rather than the hand (IMO).
"Throwing the cue at the CB" would clearly be a silly thing to do. Its an extreme exaggeration of what was described ...to the point of ludicrous.
DeadStrokeMan said:
say what??? i don't get what you're saying at all..........
VAP
DeadStrokeMan said:
There is an excellent pool player who comes on this forum once and a while. POOLSHARK52. This guy can run balls consistantly. The reason I bring him up is because he plays with a slip-stroke. Every shot. Have you ever seen this before in someones stroke? He plays all the games well, but plays straight in my opinion the best. Very smooth and beautiful patterns.