Lighting for Cue Pictures

I don't know why he's busting my chops about my pics. Here's what I play with:
 

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I have experimented with different lighting, both indoors and out, and had some success. In both cases I hold the cue by hand to eliminate background at the same focus.

I found that pictures taken outside on a clear bright day, either early morning or late afternoon so that I can position the sun behind the camera, record the most detail. For these pictures I used a 3.2 mega pixel Canon Power Shot set to macro mode, and shorten the exposure time to help eliminate blur. I also tilted the cue in order to eliminate, as much as possible, glare from the finish. The attached images are compressed, but the originals show an impressive amount of detail.
 

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Vinman said:
I have experimented with different lighting, both indoors and out, and had some success. In both cases I hold the cue by hand to eliminate background at the same focus.

I found that pictures taken outside on a clear bright day, either early morning or late afternoon so that I can position the sun behind the camera, record the most detail. For these pictures I used a 3.2 mega pixel Canon Power Shot set to macro mode, and shorten the exposure time to help eliminate blur. I also tilted the cue in order to eliminate, as much as possible, glare from the finish. The attached images are compressed, but the originals show an impressive amount of detail.
Those are nice pics. We have similar cameras. I have a Canon Power Shot A80 4.0 mega pixel. I also have a Canon A10 1.3 mega pixel that takes nice pics as well.
 
Hal said:
Those are nice pics. We have similar cameras. I have a Canon Power Shot A80 4.0 mega pixel. I also have a Canon A10 1.3 mega pixel that takes nice pics as well.

Thanks! Canon does make a nice camera that is easy to use. I had an Olympus, but would never go back.
 
Vinman said:
I have experimented with different lighting, both indoors and out, and had some success. In both cases I hold the cue by hand to eliminate background at the same focus.

I found that pictures taken outside on a clear bright day, either early morning or late afternoon so that I can position the sun behind the camera, record the most detail. For these pictures I used a 3.2 mega pixel Canon Power Shot set to macro mode, and shorten the exposure time to help eliminate blur. I also tilted the cue in order to eliminate, as much as possible, glare from the finish. The attached images are compressed, but the originals show an impressive amount of detail.

The best photos I've seen here so far! Judging by the background, you probably cut out the original and layered in a new background using a photo editing program.
 
Freeman said:
The best photos I've seen here so far! Judging by the background, you probably cut out the original and layered in a new background using a photo editing program.

Thanks Freeman! Actually, there is really no trick to the photos. The background you see was the actual background; the sky for the outdoor shot and my ceiling for the indoor. The trick is to hold the cue in the air so that the background will be out of focus and diffused. I attached another outdoor photo where you can see a treetop in the bottom corner. Try it yourself on a nice clear day!
 

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Thanks Freeman! Actually, there is really no trick to the photos. The background you see was the actual background; the sky for the outdoor shot and my ceiling for the indoor. The trick is to hold the cue in the air so that the background will be out of focus and diffused. I attached another outdoor photo where you can see a treetop in the bottom corner. Try it yourself on a nice clear day!

Very nice photos Vinman! I'll have to try it and see how it works out. I don't know if it is within my capabilities to hold the camera and the cue still to get a clear picture, but I guess we'll see. The sky for the background is pretty awesome!
 
Vinman - Hahahaha great technique! Appreciate your sharing it. Do you hold the cue by hand or do you have a clamp or stand for it.

Iconcue - Excellent work! The layering is seamless and the cut is clean!
 
Freeman said:
Vinman - Hahahaha great technique! Appreciate your sharing it. Do you hold the cue by hand or do you have a clamp or stand for it.

Iconcue - Excellent work! The layering is seamless and the cut is clean!

I actually hold the cue by hand for the pics. That's the beauty of digital cameras. Some might blur, I'll take a dozen pictures so at least a few come out OK!
 
Hal said:
bruin70 is the king of cue pictures. Talk to him. He's a master. Here is a sample of his work. (Joint Protector)

well gee,,,,,i beg deference to iconcue. he of the humongo megpixel beast. however, i will disagree with his assertion of indirect light. you need to light the cue from either or both ends. lighting head on will reflect the source light. indirect light will still bounce off the walls, so if you choose indirect light, make sure the backdrop behind you is dark. the joint protector was done in macro but that is too close for an overall cue shot. i use a 4 megapixel at large size, on a tripod.

also,,,things to consider...if the background is light, it will reflect on the cue as the cue curves away, and thus wash out the edges of the cue. if you lay the cue down and it casts a shadow, the shadow will blur the cue. keep the camera on an even plane with the light source, so that you photograph the cue without shadow. in an ideal setup, i would float the cue. there have been situations (when shooting the whole cue)when the background was too close to the cue and focusing became a problem. seperating cue and background with increased distance allowed the camera to focus easily on the cue. shoot with a high f-stop(mine is f-8) this will make all details sharp even as the cue curves away.
 

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vinman,,,icon,,,,use of color is a great idea to pop the cue. blue is a natural against all the warm colors in a cue.
 
Vinman said:
I have experimented with different lighting, both indoors and out, and had some success. In both cases I hold the cue by hand to eliminate background at the same focus.

I found that pictures taken outside on a clear bright day, either early morning or late afternoon so that I can position the sun behind the camera, record the most detail. For these pictures I used a 3.2 mega pixel Canon Power Shot set to macro mode, and shorten the exposure time to help eliminate blur. I also tilted the cue in order to eliminate, as much as possible, glare from the finish. The attached images are compressed, but the originals show an impressive amount of detail.

vinman...the glare you're getting is because the cue is still reflecting ambient light behind you. you need something dark behind you. even though you tilted the cue away from you, the reflection still exists at its very end. essentially, you cannot get away from it.

i think this is the best setup,,,and doesn't require you angling the cue. what you want to do is stay away from reflections of any kind. the "bad zone" is the area you will get source light reflection, no matter how extreme to the side the lights are, if the camera is placed within that zone.

the dark backdrop eliminates ambient light which is everywhere. since my studio walls are light, my backdrop is kind of more like a hood of black cloth that i hover over the cue to eliminate as much ambient light as possible.

of course, if you shoot small portions of the cue, it all becomes much more manageable.
 

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bruin70 said:
vinman...the glare you're getting is because the cue is still reflecting ambient light behind you. you need something dark behind you. even though you tilted the cue away from you, the reflection still exists at its very end. essentially, you cannot get away from it.

i think this is the best setup,,,and doesn't require you angling the cue. what you want to do is stay away from reflections of any kind. the "bad zone" is the area you will get source light reflection, no matter how extreme to the side the lights are, if the camera is placed within that zone.

the dark backdrop eliminates ambient light which is everywhere. since my studio walls are light, my backdrop is kind of more like a hood of black cloth that i hover over the cue to eliminate as much ambient light as possible.

of course, if you shoot small portions of the cue, it all becomes much more manageable.

Thanks for the tip Bruin. I will have to try that the next clear day we have in New York. It might be a while before that happens!
 
Thanks to everyone for all of the great suggestions and pictures. I just got my first cue, of five, delivered today so it's quickly becoming picture time! I hope to be able to post some really excellent pictures for you all of my incomming collection.
 
Vinman said:
Thanks for the tip Bruin. I will have to try that the next clear day we have in New York. It might be a while before that happens!

grey overcast days like today, tuesday, in nyc is great because grey is relatively neutral. of course if you have manual white balance on your camera, it doesn't matter what kind of day it is.

also, when the lights are positioned as shown, sharply angled and IN FRONT of the camera, you might need a lens hood to prevent flare off the camera lens.
 
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iconcue said:
bout time you weighed in!
you're not supposed to tell about my megabeast!

icon, your camera is so nifty, you can see teeny little antmen mopping the surface of the cue:):)

btw,,,i've been reading bad nikon reviews about how it deals with RAW images.
 
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