Linds cue die out?

Man, after reading this... kida sends a chill...
beware of scums pretending to be dealers or whatever... victims here are the cue buying public and worse, the cuemaker (in this case Linds) who tires to protect his name and investment... and things get messed up by crooks...
Hopefully this could be just a case of miscommunication and I certainly hope everything will be settled soon...

Very bad... :mad:
 
you're something else. Your idea of resolving this is to muscle your way by dropping the "L" word instead of cooperating and following normal practice. I don't think that Linds nor anybody for that matter will be fazed at all. You need to prove first that monies and agreements transpired between you guys and Linds to have the court order Linds to volunteer the info.

Maybe the aggrieved party should show a photo of a reciept first that Linds recieved their money aside from a signed agreement with them of the services to be rendered.

Your attitude for someone who said is just trying to help (or grand-standing?) is simply ridiculous.
 
hadjcues said:
Man, after reading this... kida sends a chill...
beware of scums pretending to be dealers or whatever... victims here are the cue buying public and worse, the cuemaker (in this case Linds) who tires to protect his name and investment... and things get messed up by crooks...
Hopefully this could be just a case of miscommunication and I certainly hope everything will be settled soon...

Very bad... :mad:

Unfortunately, the scum you are talking about was authorized by Linds himself...... :(
 
Ok, our Taiwanese friends. This problem shouldn't have reached this point had you acquired the proper contact information of the person you dealt with. This may be one good lesson learned from this.

The word is that Linds recieved a reply from his Taiwan dealer. The dealer wasn't aware of the site being down due to his busy schedule in the hospital. (Had you had his number then this wouldn't have mattered) He will contact you in the coming days to conclude the transaction. Please prepare all pertinent mailing information and settle your balances if there is still any.

I hope everything now works out well between you guys.
 
jor23_lin said:
Unfortunately, the scum you are talking about was authorized by Linds himself...... :(
We weren't even sure yet that you guys were referring to the same guy, right? Not a single one of you guys mentioned a name that can be identified as Linds' authorized dealer. And that is the reason too why all your posts here don't carry any weight.

There are a lot of scums out there that poses as dealers and pounce on idiots.
 
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Hey bandido,

Why don't you let Linds speak for himself?
I can't see the reason why you should involve into this mess.
These guys are helpless cue lovers who are desperately seeking an answer from Linds.
Let Linds talk and resolve this by himself.
 
What and let them bully Linds who wasn't even directly involved in the agreement they made with a certain dealer that they haven't even identified by name. From all the supposed "cue lovers" that you refer to, I can only see Adonisy as the only one really affected in the said issue and the rest are just hooligans. And not a single one can even handle this issue properly all they are doing is trying to show macho BS. There really is no reason to answer to these posts here as not a single party here has made a call to Linds nor identified the dealer by name and it's been more than 24hours since "calling Linds" was suggested. This "non-action" just tells us that this MAY even be a hoax or the "hidden agenda" angle can very much be a reality so why should Linds expose himself to such? Yes Linds is willing to talk but talk over the phone or personally so that details can be verified and the concern proven legitimate.

Put yourself in Linds' position. The scenario is: somebody starts a thread complaining about an UN-NAMED DEALER then implies that Linds cheated him? We can't even verify if they're refering to the same dealer! If it were you, will you subject a friend to such nonsense? Will you not protect an acquaintance/friend who hasn't even been identified by name?

We symphtize with the complainant and give him the benefit of the doubt. A proper action was recommended in order to reach a resolution to the concern yet you guys (looky-loos) prefer airing stupidity in a public forum. STILL NO PHONE CALL! The hoax/hidden agenda angle is up to 75% reality now guys! MAKE THE PHONE CALL!

See post#24! Linds, at least, shows that he's trying to do something positive for the concerned. What have these supposed cue lovers done? They can't even help themselves by making the phone call or naming the dealer. You can speak English, you have the means, if you really wanted to help them out why didn't you just give Linds a call instead of posting here? So, why did balance, Matty, poolchady jump into the issue now?
 
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Dear All:

Linds pm me , I and Linds will connect through pm.

but I must say , not just me have these problems

my friends (at least 5) have some problems.

someone will ask me , why you do not not phone to linds...

yes, this is a good question ... if I can phone linds with English , why
I buy cue through Taiwan dealer?

because our English are poor:(

since Linds do not know this Taiwan dealer do a good job ,and this dealer
did earn fame for Linds...

at lease , give me this dealer information , his name , his taiwan address
and more info...

we will find him , and we do not point linds , we just want lilnds know
"his dealer do a good job"
 
Dear Edwin,

Believe me, I can see how you find the original post offensive. Even I had problem understanding Adonisy's original post especially the part regarding "blanks," and I am sure most readers here are just as confused as I am.:) It is obvious that he cannot express himself well in English.

Although I am not from Taiwan, I have the pleasure of knowing some players from Taiwan and I have heard of this incident from them. I felt the need to explain to my best ability what I have been told so hopefully, you and Linds will have a better idea of what has happened. I am sure you will try your best to help, as you always have.

I personally believe Linds is probably a victim just like the rest of the Taiwanese here. I do not think a cue maker would scam a few hundred dollars to ruin his reputation.

However, you need to understand how this dealer may have the appearent authority to represent Linds Cue in Taiwan, and therefore, Linds may find himself liable for the dealer's action whether he is awared of it or not. I am sure you will agree that it is therefore to Linds best interest that he is made awared of the situation.

About this "dealer," this is what I have been told and I hope this information is helpful.

The dealer in question is the person who has been operating the web site www.lindscues.com and have had control of the email address info@lindscues.com.

www.lindscues.com is the web address of Linds Cue's Taiwanese dealer according to Linds web site. www.lindscues.com.ph

On the web site, as you can see, there are names, addresses and phone numbers listed for the other Linds Cues dealers except for the Taiwanese dealer, whereas only his website and email address are listed, which do not work.

I believe all they are asking is to have the current phone number, and address of this dealer. Do you think you can help them with that?

Obviously, the original contact info of this dealer has been cut off, even the web site is now down.

Edwin, I really do not want to see this go any futher than it already has. It is sad that this post was even started in the first place. I really hope that this will be put to an end as soon as possible.

I have no agenda here. If the original poster could explained himself a bit better in English, I would not have posted any of this at all.

It really is not my style to put my nose into someone else's business. I hope you can all resolved this as soon as possible.:)

Best wishes to your cue business.

Thank you.

Richard
 
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You're english is understandable and you are aware of it or you won't post here. People here have the capacity to make out what you're trying to say.

It's just ridiculuos that you can't give specific information about your said dealer yet you expect Linds to divulge information. Who's?

Now you say there are 5 and make it come out that Linds is the problem. You are the problem for not keeping contact information of the person you dealt with. Linds is just being nice enough to help you guys whenyour inabil;ity to keep proper contact information is the root of the problem. You can't even say that there's a communication problem with your dealer to start off with. The dealer is also Taiwanese.
 
nipponbilliards said:
Dear Edwin,

Believe me, I can see how you find the original post offensive. Even I had problem understanding Adonisy's original post especially the part regarding "blanks," and I am sure most readers here are just as confused as I am.:) It is obvious that he cannot express himself well in English.

That initial post stating " I appraise 10-20 cue blanks" turned that post into blackmail and so malicious. Adonisy admitted that he's the Linds Club Manager and known in this forum as an aspiring cuemaker. Those facts thus opened up the possibility that he may have gotten greedy being aware of the quantity of business that Linds has in Taiwan. To compound this angle, he can't even NAME the person he dealt with even though this person is also a Taiwan National.

Although I am not from Taiwan, I have the pleasure of knowing some players from Taiwan and I have heard of this incident from them. I felt the need to explain to my best ability what I have been told so hopefully, you and Linds will have a better idea of what has happened. I am sure you will try your best to help, as you always have.

Thank you Richard. As evidenced by contents of our succeeding post and even if they cannot help by going though proper avenues, steps to resolve has been positively taken from this end.

I personally believe Linds is probably a victim just like the rest of the Taiwanese here. I do not think a cue maker would scam a few hundred dollars to ruin his reputation.

Exactly, but they are not helping any if they can't even call and give Linds detail of their initial agreement. Who's Linds suppose to go after. This can even be considered maliscious actions since pertinent data can't be provided.

However, you need to understand how this dealer may have the appearent authority to represent Linds Cue in Taiwan, and therefore, Linds may find himself liable for the dealer's action whether he is awared of it or not. I am sure you will agree that it is therefore to Linds best interest that he is made awared of the situation.

Richard, without pertinent data about the initial agreement how can worthwile steps be taken? It is evidenced in the posts that steps are being taken even though the validity of the issue is still questionnable. What was the name of the person that they dealt with. Supplying thus to Linds not only verifies the validity of the issue but also give s Linds a direction to pursue. Making Linds "aware" could have been done through the proper channels.

About this "dealer," this is what I have been told and I hope this information is helpful.

The dealer in question is the person who has been operating the web site www.lindscues.com and have had control of the email address info@lindscues.com.

www.lindscues.com is the web address of Linds Cue's Taiwanese dealer according to Linds web site (www.lindscues.com.ph ).

I believe all they are asking is to have the current phone number, and address of this dealer. Do you think you can help them with that?

Let's put it this way. Somebody comes to one associate of yours with a story and asks for "RICHARDS" personnal info, will you appreciate it had your associate given out the info without ascertaining that the story can be validated with facts? Linds is currently in contact with his dealer now and confirming the details of the transaction. That I think is the proper way and I'm sure you'll appreciate if you, or anybody for that matter, were involved. Granted that they just trusted the person behind the info@lindscues.com, they and Linds still need to work with this person for the recipients to get their cues. I mentioned in an earlier post that this supposed dealer still needs to send the mailing labels written in Chinese. For this mailing label to get to Linds a confirmation of the completion of transaction needs to be reached. Right now, no one has provided any pertinent data of said transaction! No name, no product description, no monetary consideration details,...ypu tell me..What will you do, considering the above facts and all the missing data?

Obviously, all the contact info of this dealer has been cut off, even the web site has been down.

I already mentioned the discovered reason for that but still do need data from our Taiwanese friends, like PRODUCT DESCRIPTION to verify ownership. How is it they they post here in english and confident that they can be understood yet they don't want to do the suggested route, PHONE CALL, and supply details to go from. I don't understand why when it comes to the "phone call" they hide behind the "Communication gap" fence!

Edwin, I really do not want to see this go any futher than it already has. It is sad that this post was even started in the first place. I really hope that this will be put to an end as soon as possible.

I have no agenda here. If the original poster could explained himself a bit better in English, I would not have posted any of this at all.

It really is not my style to put my nose into someone else's business. I hope you can all resolved this as soon as possible.:)

I, too, from my 1st post (#2 of this thread) conveyed not wanting escalation of this problem by providing alternate and direct channels of communication.

My involvement here have been questioned but had people really tried to look at the issue from both ends they will appreciate the "friendship" displayed. This issue is still of maliscious nature until the data that can verify the transaction has been submitted. And even though these weren't and the suggested proper channel hasn't been taken, Linds still is trying his best to verify and resolve if all data and transaction requirements are met.

Best wishes to your cue business.

Thank you.

Richard

Thank you Richard and my best to you too.
Edwin Reyes
 
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bandido said:
You're english is understandable and you are aware of it or you won't post here. People here have the capacity to make out what you're trying to say.

It's just ridiculuos that you can't give specific information about your said dealer yet you expect Linds to divulge information. Who's?

Now you say there are 5 and make it come out that Linds is the problem. You are the problem for not keeping contact information of the person you dealt with. Linds is just being nice enough to help you guys whenyour inabil;ity to keep proper contact information is the root of the problem. You can't even say that there's a communication problem with your dealer to start off with. The dealer is also Taiwanese.

Most of us can write in Engligh but not as well as speak and listen English.

Amin and other guys just want to have a reasonable solution for their problems, if linds really have a authorized dealer in Taiwan, he must be have the contact info.

Please don't laugh us, but actually we don't need any personal info and then we can send the money through ATM to anonymous in Taiwan.

Anyway, Edwin we don't need your reply for redicule or criticize us from Taiwan. People posted text on AZ is want to point out the problem and hope have a face to face discuss with Linds.

We learn so much from LINDS issues, and silence is your best choice.

Thank you
 
cyrustong said:
Most of us can write in Engligh but not as well as speak and listen English.

Amin and other guys just want to have a reasonable solution for their problems, if linds really have a authorized dealer in Taiwan, he must be have the contact info.

I have been saying this from the start so that a reasonable solution can be reached, send pertinent data so that Linds can check with the dealer if this issue is legitimate. How hard is it to comply with such a request? How can Linds help you if he doesn't know what particular item you're looking for?

Please don't laugh us, but actually we don't need any personal info and then we can send the money through ATM to anonymous in Taiwan.

I am quite aware of business practice in Taiwan as one of my partners in 21st Century Billiards is an owner of one of the bigger cue company there.

Anyway, Edwin we don't need your reply for redicule or criticize us from Taiwan. People posted text on AZ is want to point out the problem and hope have a face to face discuss with Linds.

No redicule or criticism intended. I just want you guys to understand that proper steps should be taken to resolve this. But the first step is to determine if such concern is legitimate and from there on take the neccessary steps.

It is considered improper to get into a discussion in a public forum specially whenit has a potential for getting out of hand. My answering to the posts here is more of to avert such occurance. You are a businessman and you should know how to properly handle this and it is not through an internet forum. The members here don't care for it and the site administrator don't appreciate taking up bandwidth with issues that can be handled through e-mail or phone calls.

We learn so much from LINDS issues, and silence is your best choice.
Are you hinting that you also subscribe to threatening people to get your way? Shame on you!

Thank you

This wouldn't have gone this far had the initial poster listened to the initial suggestion.
 
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We will be glad to see the problems will be all resolved between LINDS and customer from Taiwan or the LINDS' dealer and customers from Taiwan.

I don't comment myself about the business of mine, it doesn't matter about this problem.People will know me if they dealt with me before;) .

I were also a member of LINDS club and owned a LINDS cue several yrs ago. I appreciate his work and quality of LINDS cue.

Like I and Chady said, we should leave and let Linds speak for himslef.
 
poolchady said:
Hey bandido,

Why don't you let Linds speak for himself?I can't see the reason why you should involve into this mess.
These guys are helpless cue lovers who are desperately seeking an answer from Linds.
Let Linds talk and resolve this by himself.

Bandido:Because I'm his dog "WON WON".I want to get some benefit from linds like bone....
 
Cyrus,
I, from the start, wants nothing more than a proper resolution to this concern. But your request for Linds to respond in this forum is improper. The thread title and the initial post already wreaks with abusive language implying that Linds is a cheat even though he had posted that he didn't directly deal with Linds. You are aware there that the people you are helping discussed with and even (according to them) remitted money to this dealer who is also a Taiwan National using a Taiwan Bank account. How can Linds help them if they don't give Linds the required information?

The replies from there are getting verbally abusive and forceful at getting it their way, what more if Linds himself responded? There will be chaos instead of reaching a solution to the concern as I can see the macho bs exhibited by some of the posters.

It was already posted that Linds' dealer is going to get in touch with those concerned. What is so vague about that?
 
Alibuda said:
Bandido:Because I'm his dog "WON WON".I want to get some benefit from linds like bone....
LOL! Like I said Cyrus! I was right that people there are going to be verbally abusive!!

You are so intelligent and acting macho behind that screen name Alibuda! LOL! Do you consider yourself a good representation of how you and your friends deal with this? And what do you think will you achieve with this?
 
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bandido said:
Cyrus,
I, from the start, wants nothing more than a proper resolution to this concern. But your request for Linds to respond in this forum is improper. The thread title and the initial post already wreaks with abusive language implying that Linds is a cheat even though he had posted that he didn't directly deal with Linds.

I do not deal with Linds directly , because of language ...
(you do not understand my English , and I do not understand yours...)

but two years later , I mailed linds , if possible , I will make public

if linds just say , this is Taiwan dealer's problem , and he is busy...balabala..
ok, just a mail and tell me what happen

http://www.lindscues.com have forum before , one year ago
some people on linds chinese forum said he mail info@lindscues.com
but no response , or they received mail two weeks later....

half year ago , mail to info@lindscues.com has no response

I just think , forget it ... just only $300 ..... and I make cue by myself

these posts just alert linds , your Taiwan dealer are ??(or is)
not work but still receive money.

Dear linds
do you know this situation?
 
bandido said:
What and let them bully Linds who wasn't even directly involved in the agreement they made with a certain dealer that they haven't even identified by name. From all the supposed "cue lovers" that you refer to, I can only see Adonisy as the only one really affected in the said issue and the rest are just hooligans. And not a single one can even handle this issue properly all they are doing is trying to show macho BS. There really is no reason to answer to these posts here as not a single party here has made a call to Linds nor identified the dealer by name and it's been more than 24hours since "calling Linds" was suggested. This "non-action" just tells us that this MAY even be a hoax or the "hidden agenda" angle can very much be a reality so why should Linds expose himself to such? Yes Linds is willing to talk but talk over the phone or personally so that details can be verified and the concern proven legitimate.

Put yourself in Linds' position. The scenario is: somebody starts a thread complaining about an UN-NAMED DEALER then implies that Linds cheated him? We can't even verify if they're refering to the same dealer! If it were you, will you subject a friend to such nonsense? Will you not protect an acquaintance/friend who hasn't even been identified by name?

We symphtize with the complainant and give him the benefit of the doubt. A proper action was recommended in order to reach a resolution to the concern yet you guys (looky-loos) prefer airing stupidity in a public forum. STILL NO PHONE CALL! The hoax/hidden agenda angle is up to 75% reality now guys! MAKE THE PHONE CALL!

See post#24! Linds, at least, shows that he's trying to do something positive for the concerned. What have these supposed cue lovers done? They can't even help themselves by making the phone call or naming the dealer. You can speak English, you have the means, if you really wanted to help them out why didn't you just give Linds a call instead of posting here? So, why did balance, Matty, poolchady jump into the issue now?

I think Chady, Matty and I never left any agitatedly words. The difference of viewpoints like your and Adonisy said will makes all things clear. All readers find out what is the keypoint of this problems.Am I right??Why do you query we jumped into this issue ?? our standpoints ??

Did we do anything rudely???:confused: :confused:

Why do you attack us so intensely by the posts you left??:mad: :mad:

Linds went to resolve the problem and all of us let them handle.:) :)
 
Balance said:
The statement I must to mention that I'm not one of the injured party. Matty just help them to get more way to resolve the problem and with friendship.

I agree all conditions described by Richard and it is the same meaning when my friends discussed at http://www.excues.com/eXcues/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=14120
including to consider legal actions and hope linds to offer the information of "this agents".
For my friends

Thanks a lot to Richard;)
The phrase in blue color is considered a threat and/or strong-arm tactics. These shouldn't even be mentioned until all the facts are ascertained and all possible remedy to the issue have been taken. Even if the transcript of this thread is shown in court it will just evidence that cooperation from these end was given but done in the proper manner.
 
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