I have been practicing a lot with shot making, with and with out english. I also do some short cue ball control. When i mean short I mean after contact i maybe hit one to two rails and go a distance from 2 to 4 feet. I am slowly mastering this and I was wondering how to learn the longer lines and if there was a book that is good that is in explaining something like that.
p.s. i also heard there is a system for two rail kicks? can someone explain?
P.s.s. Also any good Intermediate Instructional Books you would recommend. Not Beginner books! !
I have been practicing a lot with shot making, with and with out english. I also do some short cue ball control. When i mean short I mean after contact i maybe hit one to two rails and go a distance from 2 to 4 feet. I am slowly mastering this and I was wondering how to learn the longer lines and if there was a book that is good that is in explaining something like that.
Dalys Billiard Book is a good start........or any billiards book that teaches Carom angles, how to find them and place the CB off them........
Robert Byrne has a few good books with details like that........
Learn a or some diamond systems also..........
Angle and placement of the CB after contact with the OB is going to rely on the contact angle b/t the OB & CB the speed of the shot and the spin.
Billiards players and pool players that know these systems often figure out where they want the CB on say a 3 rail (long rail, short rail, long rail)and then find the spot on the rail they have to hit on the 3rd rail, then track it to the second and find the contact spot you want to hit on the initial rail...........the carom angle of the CB after contact with the OB is then figured in such a way as to make the CB hit the 1st rail in the designated spot that will put it on the track you wanted.
Angle, speed and spin very very much affect this positioning.........so its going to take much practice to ingrain those in your head.......it takes time.
I know I didn't really give the whole explanation, just cliff notes. Go grab one of those books and my statements will make more sense. There are many diff ways to get where you need and thats why I didn't go indepth. The process is basically the same but the systems that you will use to find these places and spots vary from technique to technique
Its called carom angles is what your looking for and it will involve such things as the tangent line, and then you need a diamond system for your CB tracking direction.
an if all else fails go see Donald Duck over on youtube he will teach you the diamond system probono:wink:
Your question/problem is the main reason in a perfect world we would learn Billiards (straight rail, balkline, 3cush) first and then learn pocket billiards second..........there are many things that we typically don't learn in pocket billiards and many people struggle to find the answer and this is one of those instances..........carom angles and such should be some of the first things a player learns after the basic mechanical fundamentals are addressed.
You received here already some good advices-- and i m sure the most ppl here also understand how a guy like your s feelin (always wanting more and more and more and all at one time )
To learn to know and understand the cue-ball paths you should really go step by step "Fast Eddy" (i couldn t resist, sry George ).
Further i start with every student or player always the same way-- next to the fundamentals and the first drills/shots he will be shown to work on his fundamentals, he will get drills to learn to work with the tangent-line. If you understood how to detect the tangent-line you re already able to increase your position-play amazingly. The rest would be a matter of training-amount. "Further or deeper" knowledge like 2 rail kicking systems or 3 rail kicking systems should be for sure also in a players *arsenal*...but hoooooooh "Fast Eddy"...just as time goes by my friend
Atm i m at work and so i m not able to post something with cuetable here-- when im home tonight i ll post some drills which i would recommend to work with.
to be continued,
Ok- here we go-- here is a cuetable layout to explain where usualy start to cause students or players to increase their abilities.
Here you see the setup of the balls: Put em ont he table like shown here. The Cueball Positions themselves are not so important-but here later more.
The "One-Ball" which is the one you have to pocket is 2 balls *away* from the rail (from 2nd diamond of the siderail). The next ball which is important for you is the 3 ball, which is placed on the *spot*. As you can see, the tangent line, if you hit the 1-ball to pocket it into the cornerpocket shows you, that you will hit the 3-ball for sure (100%!!). You "JUST" have to play a perfect "Stop-Ball-Shot" ..nothing else ...and you will always know EXACTLY where the cueball will move after the contact with an object-ball Matthias.
This is one example-layout which demonstrates how easy position-play in billiards could be-- And to go back to the Cueball-- no matter where the Cueball is placed-is it on A, B or on C...the Cueball will ALWAYS follow the tangent-line..if you play a perfect stop-shot Matthias.
But if you re (or we or many other ppl) seriously thinking about it: how often you see ppl around banging balls and playing position with english etc where it is usualy not necessary. Don t get me wrong- i would never say that you never should play english- but i try to teach ppl to use english if it is necessary, means if it really helps. I say, that english is just one more point to be able to make a mistake (makes it harder to hit the point you planned etc). You have to train those shots as often as other ones. Each shot is hard in billiards- but if you re training stop-shots you can detect bad habits and mistakes...and then you can think about it and work on it. There are so many drills, patterns etc to work on your own...they re uncountable- if you want to have some i can send you for sure something.
At least i just wanted to show you, that you have to work on your fundamentals and your stroke-- without a repeatable stroke you can t play any kicking system successfully-and so it is on *easy* stop shots, too
I hope at least i was able to show you something and you that you understood what i tried to show up.
And believe me...you will soon also manage harder shots easily with english etc. , will try out bank shot systems etc, but do yourself A BIG FAVOR and start really with good fundamentals. It will help you for a lifetime,
If you want to know anything else, or something not understandable (by low english or so) just send me a PM,
lg from overseas,
Ingo
Dalys Billiard Book is a good start........or any billiards book that teaches Carom angles, how to find them and place the CB off them........
Robert Byrne has a few good books with details like that........
Learn a or some diamond systems also..........
Angle and placement of the CB after contact with the OB is going to rely on the contact angle b/t the OB & CB the speed of the shot and the spin.
Billiards players and pool players that know these systems often figure out where they want the CB on say a 3 rail (long rail, short rail, long rail)and then find the spot on the rail they have to hit on the 3rd rail, then track it to the second and find the contact spot you want to hit on the initial rail...........the carom angle of the CB after contact with the OB is then figured in such a way as to make the CB hit the 1st rail in the designated spot that will put it on the track you wanted.
Angle, speed and spin very very much affect this positioning.........so its going to take much practice to ingrain those in your head.......it takes time.
I know I didn't really give the whole explanation, just cliff notes. Go grab one of those books and my statements will make more sense. There are many diff ways to get where you need and thats why I didn't go indepth. The process is basically the same but the systems that you will use to find these places and spots vary from technique to technique
Its called carom angles is what your looking for and it will involve such things as the tangent line, and then you need a diamond system for your CB tracking direction.
an if all else fails go see Donald Duck over on youtube he will teach you the diamond system probono:wink:
Your question/problem is the main reason in a perfect world we would learn Billiards (straight rail, balkline, 3cush) first and then learn pocket billiards second..........there are many things that we typically don't learn in pocket billiards and many people struggle to find the answer and this is one of those instances..........carom angles and such should be some of the first things a player learns after the basic mechanical fundamentals are addressed.
Thank you grey ghost... i wasnt looking for that much information... I was looking for a place to look for the information you you didn't leave out anything... I will check those books out at my local library(hopefully they have them if not amazon here i come) And thank you again for the advice
You received here already some good advices-- and i m sure the most ppl here also understand how a guy like your s feelin (always wanting more and more and more and all at one time )
To learn to know and understand the cue-ball paths you should really go step by step "Fast Eddy" (i couldn t resist, sry George ).
Further i start with every student or player always the same way-- next to the fundamentals and the first drills/shots he will be shown to work on his fundamentals, he will get drills to learn to work with the tangent-line. If you understood how to detect the tangent-line you re already able to increase your position-play amazingly. The rest would be a matter of training-amount. "Further or deeper" knowledge like 2 rail kicking systems or 3 rail kicking systems should be for sure also in a players *arsenal*...but hoooooooh "Fast Eddy"...just as time goes by my friend
Atm i m at work and so i m not able to post something with cuetable here-- when im home tonight i ll post some drills which i would recommend to work with.
I appreciate the drills and i cant wait to see them... The only reason i wanted to know a two rail kicking system because i seem to always have to kick two rails after my opponent plays a good safety... and it seems like its 1 every two games and it costs me the game because i miss the ball completely... I just wanted to learn that so i feel more comfortable approaching the shot since i see it so often.I may get a head of myself but its costing me games left and right... and its frustrating.... I practice fundamentals every day so i am not taking too much of a short cut
Thank you grey ghost... i wasnt looking for that much information... I was looking for a place to look for the information you you didn't leave out anything... I will check those books out at my local library(hopefully they have them if not amazon here i come) And thank you again for the advice
if they don't have those particular books at the library then just try and find one on BILLIARDS (3cush or any billiards game) any book on billiards should have some diagrams and explanations on carom angles and those diamond systems
Just search on youtube for DrDave s videos- here you ll find also some about kicking systems like the *plus system* or *Corner-5-system*. Should be ok for the beginning. But how already said- without a repeatable good stoke it wont work^^ and really much easier if someone works with you together on a system who s perfect in using it
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