SlimShafty said:
what is the format of the event? can anybody play?
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what is the format of the event? can anybody play?
SlimShafty said:I'm glad your interested to find facts and not just wee all over this guy before it starts, thats a smart thing and I think we should all be behind this "chance" for good things for our game.
The chat was on Billiards Digest the first one was LJJ and then Sigel and last night Kevin.
here is the link, the guy is for sure way over the top, but it's real and he's trying his best to make it work and have fun too, he loves the game
http://www.billiardsdigest.com/online_chat/trudeautranscript.php
Thanks for the URL Slim, I just had a quick read ! So the 150 will be picked by Mr. Trudeau himself it seems. In one answer he suggested that they are "the 150 that will be the lucky players who will go to the paywindow for the first year of the IPT". He also says "it will be a hard choice". So I guess the answer to my fundamental question is the Kevin Trudeau will pick the 150 players who are allowed into all events. I guess he has bought the right to play the role of King of Pro Pool, hopefully he is up the the task. Or perhaps Mike is helping him (which will make it 'be nice to Mike' month). I wonder if Grady will be applying ...
In all seriousness, if he really wants this to succeed, a fair and transparent method of determining and maintaining membership is essential. Would any of you out there want the task of rating the applications and deciding who is #150 and who is #151 ? Does anyone here really believe that they might even know all the players who apply ? The citicisms of these kinds of methods is often that they end up being a popularity contest. I can absolutely see things like 'he plays too slow' or 'he might embarrass the event' or 'he's boring as dirt' coming into the decision process which it should not. And even if it does not happen, the situation exists where lots of people could be suspicious that it is happening ... bad jujus. No, a personal decision by the financier does not seem to be the correct way to select the membership for a professional sports endeavor. Rather a sporting method is more common and acceptable. Just my opinion.
Please note that I have many times in the past said that pool could be saved/promoted by a sugar daddy. This could be the one, looks to be a good start. I just want to see it done well.
Dave
Dave, I agree but in the beginning it's up to him who the 150 are and I'm sure things like personality and type of play will have huge impact on his decision for the good of starting out on the right foot
Now with that said the best thing I heard was after the first year the bottom 50 will have to re-qualify to stay on tour in something like the qualifying school in the PGA, and new players will be invited to try and gain a tour card.
So I can see maybe 15 guys loosing the tour card and 15 new guys gaining the tour card. I think this is a great idea and at some point if the idea continues to be successful other tours will certainly pop up to handle the under card list of pros trying to get into the IPT.
I really think the idea is great and it's now up to the general public, if even a small number of new people show interest and some new money flows into the game we are off to the races.
Now with that said the best thing I heard was after the first year the bottom 50 will have to re-qualify to stay on tour in something like the qualifying school in the PGA, and new players will be invited to try and gain a tour card.
So I can see maybe 15 guys loosing the tour card and 15 new guys gaining the tour card. I think this is a great idea and at some point if the idea continues to be successful other tours will certainly pop up to handle the under card list of pros trying to get into the IPT.
I really think the idea is great and it's now up to the general public, if even a small number of new people show interest and some new money flows into the game we are off to the races.
At the beginning of this post someone questioned about getting 150 players willing to submit the application fee. Now it progressed to where there are so many entries that there is fighting over how they will be selected.
Apparently and hopefully the tour will be successful. I am tired of watching 9 ball. Every shot is predictable. You very seldom see any strategy or skillful shots getting out of a safety. Bert Kinister has a tape that show the most critical shots in 9 ball, "The Sixty Minute Workout". These 26 shots show every shot you need to know to be good at ball. Watching the pros you see these same shots all the time.
Glad to see 8 ball will be played in a tournament.
Would like to see some one hole also.
Apparently and hopefully the tour will be successful. I am tired of watching 9 ball. Every shot is predictable. You very seldom see any strategy or skillful shots getting out of a safety. Bert Kinister has a tape that show the most critical shots in 9 ball, "The Sixty Minute Workout". These 26 shots show every shot you need to know to be good at ball. Watching the pros you see these same shots all the time.
Glad to see 8 ball will be played in a tournament.
Would like to see some one hole also.
I dont think he will have much trouble getting 150 people and its not unfair for him or himself and a commitee to choose the players.
Do we really think a Pro Level player will be missed in the top 150. After that and once the ball is rolling it would be great to see some spots played into.
Entry into into events these days ranges from 100 to 500 or so.
Is it really that much different to fork up 900 for a payout 10x bigger than almost all others?
I dont figure the Pro level guys will have any trouble getting the money together or finding a sponsor even if it was for 1 event. The bonus is that
the IPT could be a permanent home for Pros. I am sure that is something
at least 75% of them are wanting.
I wish the IPT good luck and after thinking about it believe that 8 ball is the best game to kick the tour off with. Nothing says the game cant have multiple disciplines or evolve.
I know if I had the money and could find a player willing I would get them into at least the first one. Well worth the risk IMO
Do we really think a Pro Level player will be missed in the top 150. After that and once the ball is rolling it would be great to see some spots played into.
Entry into into events these days ranges from 100 to 500 or so.
Is it really that much different to fork up 900 for a payout 10x bigger than almost all others?
I dont figure the Pro level guys will have any trouble getting the money together or finding a sponsor even if it was for 1 event. The bonus is that
the IPT could be a permanent home for Pros. I am sure that is something
at least 75% of them are wanting.
I wish the IPT good luck and after thinking about it believe that 8 ball is the best game to kick the tour off with. Nothing says the game cant have multiple disciplines or evolve.
I know if I had the money and could find a player willing I would get them into at least the first one. Well worth the risk IMO
frankncali said:
I agree, there should be no problems getting 150 players considering the incentives.
Nothing was said (that I read anyway) about no stinking committee, Kevin said that he will pick the 150. In my little mind he will need assistance with this, and I can see he might have some advisors. Like I said, there will be an awful lot of names and/or AKAs that Kevin doesn't know.
I believe that there are more than 150 top pros, and that is what creates all of the problems ! There are a lot of pros who are shoe-ins if they apply, they are common names to us all. There are a lot of very good pros who are not so well known, and who's skills may not be understood by those who need to know. I cite the 'top 5 players in your state' thread as evidence of the differences of opinions as to who is better than who. In golf or tennis, if you want to know who is #137 you go look. That position is earned by the player, and everyone knows what's needed to move up. I hope that the IPT can evolve quickly into a similar predictable ranking system rather than an arbitrary pick by the owner.
Dave
DaveK said:
My guess is he is going to primarily pick people who good, but moreso, who are also very entertaining...guys such as Keith, the late Ralph W., etc. Kevin's looking to make pool a great watch so the money will start to flow. If this works then the "boring," pool-shooting-machines can play later on. The rest of us can spectate.
Jeff Livingston
chefjeff said:
I tend to agree Jeff. This makes IPT the more of an entertainment endeavor and less of a top-ranked pool tour. I guess at this point in the games evolution anything to raise the profile with the public is a good thing.
I'll be a spectator for sure. My ranking might be somewhere around 150,000th, but I may be overestimating my pool-shooting-machine abilities yet again.
Dave
DaveK said:
Yeah, this will all play out in time, but I think many who think they are up to the task my find themselves way down the list
It's not like your going to pay 899 and get a shot at the tour, your going to have to qualify before you pay the dues.In golf there a lots of guys that are club pros that are not on the tour, so even you local top pro who even wins large regional events may not get a tour card. I'm thinking we will see lots of guys nobody has heard of, and I would guess, given the money and the fact guys overseas with backers will get in at some point. Australia is big with 8-ball, and so many European players have skills in 14.1 so we may eventually have a field with 30 to 40% of the players are from overseas.
The Quality of the competition on the tour will be unreal, many players hope will be the fact that more people will be trying to get better to qualify for the tour and regional and even local tournaments will swell and be much better run with higher prize money.
Well, Trudeau said the bottom 50 will have to re-earn their spot after the first year, through a qualifying school open to everyone. The 50 highest placed players will then become part of the elite 150, so after the first year there will be a deserving 150 there on merit.
SlimShafty said:Yeah, this will all play out in time, but I think many who think they are up to the task my find themselves way down the list
In golf there a lots of guys that are club pros that are not on the tour, so even you local top pro who even wins large regional events may not get a tour card.
You say "your (sic) going to have to qualify before you pay the dues". But that is my objection, there is no qualifying, Kevin picks the 150 from applications recieved. I have no issue with the lifetime membership fee btw.
Anybody can enter golfs Q-School. Then you need to perform to qualify for a PGA Tour card or a junior tour card. In the IPT anybody can apply. Then you need Kevin to pick you for the lucky 150. This is the difference. Arbitrary membership versus deterministic membership. I say the IPT system must evolve to a performance-based qualification system to become the premier pool league in the world. Otherwise it's too much like boxing where bouts are arranged and heaven help you if you piss off the wrong people, regardless of how good you are.
Dave
I know I hear ya, but this is the kick off of the tour, I don't know how golf evolved, but I have no problem with him selecting the "first 150" after a year or two it will all come out right, the bottom 50 re qualify and new guys get the chance they want to beat them out, sounds like a fine model to me, just don't worry too much about the first 150, I wouldn't expect him to have a tourney just to select the first 150, that would be kinda hard as well.DaveK said:
It will all wash out and I really have a feeling another tour will rise up to handle the overflow, or minor leagues as you could say....like the nike tour or the busch races in Nascar.
I understand why he wants to pick certain players, many events give wild cards to the sponsors. But I just see how he's going to judge overseas players that he's never heard of? Its a shame he couldn't do it some other way initially, maybe a qualifier for first 128, and he gets to pick 22 wild cards? The website does seem to suggest that you send your money in first and it is open to anyone? Maybe the 150 limit / selection / application should be added to the Q&A.
I still hope to try my luck though.
PS
Justin, that sounds great. That missed 8 ball to go 3:0 sure changed the match. But the shot that CW played to cut it in off the rail was a great shot. I would appreciate it very much if you could send me the DVD, let me know and I will send you my address.
Cheers Mate
I still hope to try my luck though.
PS
Justin, that sounds great. That missed 8 ball to go 3:0 sure changed the match. But the shot that CW played to cut it in off the rail was a great shot. I would appreciate it very much if you could send me the DVD, let me know and I will send you my address.
Cheers Mate
Hey you might want to check out the website it was updated and you can now submit that you want to be considered for the tour, it's doesn't say send any money just your info, and he wants to know what tournaments you have won, tours your in etc... even if he doesn't pick certain people, If you have won major tournaments it's probably worth it to submit for future considerations. But I do agree it's going to be hard for him to pick overseas players, but the best should be pretty well known to him, and he will most likely pick well known players with records to back it up and he's pretty savvy when it comes to pool.TheOne said:
I just really hope the tour is well received in the first year, because the second year is when the bottom 50 players have to re qualify and that's when we will see some new players come in. It will be all about how good you are and not just a selection by what you have done in the past.