Long draw shots part 2

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When will you learn that if “Fast Larry” is involved in the topic, it has no choice (by his own devices) to turn into “the childishness” that this has.

It is a wonder that this forum continues to allow him to post. He’s quickly running out of forums!

He portrays the absolute wrong image of professional pool instructors. Just read!:

  • “As usual you guys keep getting this stuff all wrong…”
  • “You want to be taught this, show up on my door and book a lesson, make my day.”
  • “No no no numb nuts…”
  • “I told you guys this bloomin blighter was a moron.”
  • “Go hump a roo, do sometin your good at, leave pool alone dude.”

Mike...how long until he gets the boot here too? I'm making book on this one.

Regards,

Ken
 
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hitting low left defeats the purpose of practicing draws, you're letting the side spin do the work for you, better to practice long straight shots thru center of table and draw back using no rails to aid you
 
Well, i do not usually count my 'experience', if you want to call it that from 30 years ago playing pool on barboxes for a beer a game. But that is where I learned english that people keep telling me not to use, especially inside english and it is where I learned the chop down drawn. We just called it the 'barroom draw'. I was very surprised to see that some instructors still teach that. I guess it is so ingrained that it is very natural to me.

I have had three lessons on the 'low and level' technique and it is extremely hard for me. Sometimes I can do it, but like I said, only if I look at the cueball perfect. I just got off the table from practicing this. This is so frustrating. Then I try the old one, where the hand bridge is slightly elevated, the aim in preshot is at center and strike down with very little follow through , varying the draw back with speed of hit, and it draws almost every time.

I have been told a person can get so much more accuracy with the low and level type and I am about to scream that I just do not do it right.

Now I can do the L&L when stretched out but the real question is this a problem with technique or personal style? Maybe changing something I did natural another way for 30 years is not a good idea. I really do not know. GEEZ.

Laura
 
Laura,

I'm not an instructor, and I haven't had the pleasure of watching you shoot. However, I have been playing the game for well over 20 years and I'm a real student of the game. Given that, I would suggest you do what I suggested in the post I submitted above. Take the ob, put it in the middle of the table between the two side pockets, put the cb about 10 inches away from the ob on a straight line and practice your strokes, follow, stop and draw. You should do this a few times before you practice or play. The reason for this is, you can shoot the ball with a very comfortable stance, i.e., you're not leaning over or stretched out. When you shoot low and level, just cradle the cue in your hand. When you shoot the ball, try letting the cue slide through your grip hand. When your arm gets perpendicular to the floor, stop the movement of your arm and with your grip hand loose, the cue should slide through your hand. I guarantee you that you will start to freak out at how much stroke you get. Your next problem, after you get accustomed to this, will be to learn how to control all that stroke.
Another important thing to remember, when you want to follow, stop or draw, what determines this should be your bridge hand only!!! Do not elevate your shooting arm to draw or follow. Instead, raise or lower your bridge hand to follow, stop or draw. Pay attention to this last peice of advice because it's amazing how many players, even good players, don't do this. Believe me, it's critical for a good stroke.

Good Luck, Rick
 
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fast larry said:
No no no numb nuts, you tigten the hold at impact, I told you guys this bloomin blighter was a moron. Go hump a roo, do sometin your good at, leave pool alone dude. fast larry:D
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Larry, its a good job that most people on this site can see you for what you really are. Its a shame we couldn't filter out your useless comments. :-(

It looks like your reading ability matches your skill level.

I hope I bump into you sometime so I can relieve you of some of your cash (when you get some) and show you how the game is really played.

Stick to the circus trick shots
 
I'll keep this respectful:

Every forum Fast Larry has posted on ends up with the majority of the posters questioning the validity of his self-proclaimed position of status in the pool world.

He boasts of holding "World Championship Titles" although none can be confirmed. He speaks of a "World Tour" and one has to wonder what his definition of "World" really is.

You can ask a legitimate question and he will respond with name-calling. You can seek advice and he labels you a "skill level 3."

You can disagree with something he says and he tags you with the "moron" moniker.

Playpool.com sent him packing. Billiardsdigest.com gave him the boot as well. Mike is admittedly more tolerant of some of the foolishness that permeates his site at times but he isn't afraid to yank the plug on a poster if it becomes necessary.

After reading some of Larry's most recent posts, I have to wonder if Mike has the cord in his hand.

Read Larry's posts and find humor in his childish responses. Ignore the temptation to respond and just remember that most everyone here reached puberty long ago while others are just slow to "grow up."

Regards,

Ken
 
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Cheers ken, you couldn't have summed him up more perfectly.

I shall try my best, I'm baffled how he can have such a huge ego yet, none of his comments make much sense!?

He must live in a very very small town! LOL
 
I agree with Fast Larry on hitting this shot at 7:30 on the CB. On this type of shot, my pro taught me to use a stroke similar to a punch stroke...where you hit the CB hard but add a quick flick of the wrist at impact. That will draw the CB back somewhere near the 2nd diamond and nowhere near the side pocket...and then the english will open up the angle and you will see the CB scoot to the other end of the table.


Finally we run into somebody who knows and understands, bravo amigo.

Think you mean agrees with you larry! unfortunately you're both missing the point. This whole thread which are trying to ruin is about draw and has got didley to do with side, this is only complicating the issue and not really helping the guy with his draw. Adding reverse english(strange its called that, try listening to one :-) is cheating. I thought the diagram was a decent way of helping the guy practice his draw, unfotunately everyone seems to be getting sidetracked by the middle pocket, reverse side etc.. Using reverse side will help the white zip of the cushion but this not going to help your draw when your not going to hit a cushion, although useful to know its not resolving the issue. You need to be able to draw the white of the cushion without using reverse side as this will widen the angle which may not be what is required all the time.

I'll be in your country this december on my world wide tour. Go to my web site, www.fastlarrypool.com, send me your email, I'll let you know where I will be and we can get together and hit some draws with each other. I also hold the worlds record on the highest run at rotation, 60 balls, 4 racks, calling every shot including the ball on the break. I play rotation every day. Fast Larry Guninger
nbc

My hero, you go Larry, your the best!

PPS
Are you coming to Australia on your world tour (or is your world tour just the US, Hawaii and Mexico LOL). If so could you let me know what songs and dances you'll be performing, I might take the wife along - she likes a good comedy.

:-))
 
Say, Number 1, whether or not I agree with Fast Larry is not the point... I was pointing out the correct way to play the shot, in a game situation. (Maybe I should have clarified that, in any case, what the heck.)

Blackjack's diagram is indeed one way to practice drawing back...but, doing that shot in a game situation may not be the right shot to do.

Plus, drawing back when the CB is close to the OB is easy.

The better way to practice draw, is to place the ob 1 ft. to 1.5ft away from a corner pocket, and have the CB around 3 or 4 ft. away in a straight line, going a little bit diagonally across the table. Hit the OB with extreme draw (and whether you do that Low and Level or with the butt end of your cue jacked up a bit is your choice), try to draw back the CB in a straight line from whence it came...back to you and maybe even hitting the end rail... Oh, you have to pocket the OB too.

With this kind of shot, your stroke will really come into play...and any mistakes will really show.

nbc
 
Say, Number 1, whether or not I agree with Fast Larry is not the point... I was pointing out the correct way to play the shot, in a game situation. (Maybe I should have clarified that, in any case, what the heck.)

I guess, there where no other balls on the diagram so using reverse side wasn't really helping the guy with his draw.

>The better way to practice draw, is to place the ob 1 ft. to 1.5ft away from a corner pocket, and have the CB around 3 or 4 ft. away in a straight line, going a little bit diagonally across the table. Hit the OB with extreme draw (and whether you do that Low and Level or with the butt end of your cue jacked up a bit is your choice), try to draw back the CB in a straight line from whence it came...back to you and maybe even hitting the end rail... Oh, you have to pocket the OB too.

Agree, probably a better shot if you just want to practice draw. But hey lets not beat the guy up who did the diagram, nice job and a perfectly good way of practising draw. Just a shame so many people got side tracked and confussed the issue.

I really good drill on a snooker table is to put the pink ball on its spot and the white a little away from the corner pocket in a direct line with the center pocket. Try potting the pink and drawing the white back into the corner pocket. This shot will help more with your cueing and sure show you how well you can cue. You can also play the shot with run through and try to follow the pink into the pocket. Once you can do this 40 or 50 times in a row you know you've got a great cue action which will help all parts of your game, including draw.

Good luck
 
Re: Rackmup

We are not all childish.
Gabber.
 

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Rickw said:
Laura,

I'm not an instructor, and I haven't had the pleasure of watching you shoot. However, I have been playing the game for well over 20 years and I'm a real student of the game. I guarantee you that you will start to freak out at how much stroke you get. Your next problem, after you get accustomed to this, will be to learn how to control all that stroke.
Another important thing to remember, when you want to follow, stop or draw, what determines this should be your bridge hand only!!! Do not elevate your shooting arm to draw or follow. Instead, raise or lower your bridge hand to follow, stop or draw. Pay attention to this last peice of advice because it's amazing how many players, even good players, don't do this. Believe me, it's critical for a good stroke.

Good Luck, Rick
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Rick. Thanks. Here is what I am doing with what I called the 'chop down draw'. I have that elevated bridge. Where I learned that bridge, I know not. In preshot, the cue is level and the aim is centerball. The strike is below center, which makes the cue elevate slightly. There is a follow through, just not as much as the low and level or the cue would tear up the cloth.

On the low and level, the cue is very close to the cloth. That is the one I have to be sure to keep my eyes on the cb or the cue will raise up, resulting in a stop or a weak draw.

I keep hearing about the dangers of scooping on low and level. I have rarely done that but have done it using either type of draw, did not see a difference there.

Thanks for the drill. Not much for drills but I will try yours. I can draw 1-4 diamonds. What I need to perfect is the ability to draw back exactly how far I want to at perfect.

My sl7 hubbie says I draw pretty well and dont give myself enough credit. I guess, in matches, while I am standing, my brain will say draw and how far. When I get down on the ball, I use one method or the other without thinking about it. It seems like it does what it is supposed to better in a match but if I am practicing and thinking about all of these details is when I draw not so good. I just dont like things that arent perfect I guess and I know that my draw falls way short of the mark in that regard:rolleyes:

Laura
 
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