Long live Kevin Trudeau-very impressive show

vagabond

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The game ( Segal VS Mrs.Jones ) concluded just now.I am very impressed with the way it was show cased.I am glad Kevin Trudeau,as one of the commentator explained certain aspects of the game to help the lay audience understand the game.Over all the production is very impressive.Folks,pool has entered a new era.KT is good for pool.Long live KT.
 
That friggin channel was a pay channel on my dish..........so I just went to bed:)
 
vagabond said:
The game ( Segal VS Mrs.Jones ) concluded just now.I am very impressed with the way it was show cased.I am glad Kevin Trudeau,as one of the commentator explained certain aspects of the game to help the lay audience understand the game.Over all the production is very impressive.Folks,pool has entered a new era.KT is good for pool.Long live KT.

The commentators and presentation was the absolute best I have ever seen in billiards.

Total quality;

1 First time ever - you could see every ball with the need to guess what it was
2. First time ever - commentators were professional, easily understood and well dressed
3. First time ever - interviews were well done with very good questions asked

This was a first.....
 
vagabond said:
The game ( Segal VS Mrs.Jones ) concluded just now.I am very impressed with the way it was show cased.I am glad Kevin Trudeau,as one of the commentator explained certain aspects of the game to help the lay audience understand the game.Over all the production is very impressive.Folks,pool has entered a new era.KT is good for pool.Long live KT.

I was thinking just the opposite. I thought the show was a waste of time better spent sleeping. However I did finally hear a commentator (pitchman) worse than Mitch Laurence, it was Kevin Trudeau (if I hear one more comment about how much tougher nappy cloth is I'll be ready to kill). The way the show was cut up was also terrible, there was no flow of the match established. Maybe that was because there was no flow, it was all Sigel. The couple of shots they showed him missing were clearly dumps so Loree Jon could do something. Her only runout was a cosmo. However she sure does look damn nice for her age. I wonder how Jean Balukas felt when she heard Loree Jon was the "best woman player ever".
That show may appeal to the masses, I don't know, but anybody who has ever watched an accu-stats tape with Bill Incardona doing the commentary would be going up the wall watching that nonsense. I sincerely hope the rest of the matches are better than this one and presented better on tv. I hope it does appeal to the masses and get more people interested in pool, but unless the presentation improves greatly I won't go out of my way to watch it.
One good thing though, after seeing the natural cures commercial I can't wait to tell my sister she can throw away her insulin pump because this book has a cure for her diabetes.:rolleyes:
 
Unbelievable

I heard more lies during that show than I have ever heard in 1 hour in my life. This is total BS guys. I wouldn't cast my lot with that pompous lier for a million. Mike and loree lee should be ashamed of themselves. KT is a self promoting lier. The show was a sham just like the man. I am not impressed with a snake oil salesman. The whole think made me want to puke. I will work hard and earn my money. This is like selling your soul to the devil in my opinion. Good luck to those of you that have been fooled by the razzel dazzel of this MF. I am totally disgusted.
Purdman:mad:
 
pete lafond said:
The commentators and presentation was the absolute best I have ever seen in billiards.

Total quality;

1 First time ever - you could see every ball with the need to guess what it was
2. First time ever - commentators were professional, easily understood and well dressed
3. First time ever - interviews were well done with very good questions asked

This was a first.....

Pete,
You and Vagabond were clearly watching a different show than I was. I will agree however that the commentators were well-dressed.
 
I didn't see the whole match (yet, taped it), but the 15-20 minutes I did see were rough. The set, the play, etc., was OK, but I thought the commentary could have been better.
 
catscradle said:
Pete,
You and Vagabond were clearly watching a different show than I was. I will agree however that the commentators were well-dressed.

I looked at the overall presentation and did not pay attention to anything else. I put myself as a first time viewer to billiards. Generally speaking most of the standard stuff we see on TV for billiards is somewhat embarrassing.

This was the first time commentators didn't speak with marbles in their mouth and spoke English quite well, and the first time I could ever very clearly see the balls with perfect angles. You do not think so?

I think we can be over critical because we are closer to billiards and want the best presentation. I prayed it would not be the typical 9 ball show we always see on ESPN 2, now that would have been a turn-off.
 
Also, do not forget that this is their first try. I'll bet you will see tremendous improvement moving forward.
 
What I watched was OK at best. I remember they cut away from a rack to interview Mario Lopez. I really dont think pool players at home care about Mario Lopez and his pool playing history. They would rather see Mike Sigel run it out.

The commentators were not really that great either, their technical speak seemed kinda limited. I would expect to hear stuff from Kim saying "Now he is going to draw the ball by hitting on the low part of the cue ball" but intead it seemed like there were 2 Mitch Laurences up there instead of one.

I think I would have rather listened to Sid Waddell commentate this match rather then the ones they had talking. Then KT chimes in constantly talking about how the cloth plays slower. Just FYI Kevin, pool players at home can tell by watching if it is playing slow or not and those who arnt pool players wouldnt be able to tell anyway.

I dont know, it was cool to see that much money offered and to see Pool attempt to take a bigger crack at the national spotlight, but I think it was a it much to me. Dont get me wrong though. I will more then likely watch it when it comes on.
 
catscradle said:
I wonder how Jean Balukas felt when she heard Loree Jon was the "best woman player ever".

Who cares what she thinks? You know why she quit pool, and she was in the wrong. At least LJJ has some heart.
 
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LastTwo said:
Who cares what she thinks? You know why she quit pool, and she was in the wrong. At least LJJ has some heart.

Nevertheless, Loree Jon Jones is/was not the greatest woman player ever. If it isn't Jean, it is Alison. That is the point, I couldn't really care less about whether or not Jean's feelings were hurt.
 
The show was terrible, the commenators were terrible, Kevin Trudeau was a joke, does he know how to play pool. I thought I was going to see a pool match, instead I spent the hour watching commericals and hearing Kevin talk about the nappy cloth and the professional rules of eight ball.
 
Purdman said:
This is like selling your soul to the devil in my opinion.
Purdman:mad:

Hey my friend,
You have been listening to Charlie daniels song `Devil went to Georgia` too many times.He,he,he,he
I was speaking in terms of how this show will attract the lay audience.Pool players are very critical people and nothing satiesfies them.
Except in few areas it is very easy to satiesfy me. I,even as a pool player,liked the format and how it is marketed.I have not seen anything like this in pool before.:cool:
 
vagabond said:
Hey my friend,
You have been listening to Charlie daniels song `Devil went to Georgia` too many times.He,he,he,he
I was speaking in terms of how this show will attract the lay audience.Pool players are very critical people and nothing satiesfies them.
Except in few areas it is very easy to satiesfy me. I,even as a pool player,liked the format and how it is marketed.I have not seen anything like this in pool before.:cool:

You sound like my kid did after he found my stash man. The program was total BS and you knoe it. I don't think KT is going to try and do anything for anybody but KT. Go ahead, throw away all your medicine, quit eating and take your shoes off and stare at the sun a couple hours a day.
The reason you have never seen anything like this in pool before is that nobody has been stupid enough to believe everybody is a fool. KT does.
Purdman:cool:
 
Too many damn commercials

I didn't enjoy this show overall. Even after giving it the benefit of the doubt for being the "first of its kind" or whatever, I didn't like the sound or the commentary. Most of the time the audio didn't match up. The commentary -- what to say about that -- it was painful at best to watch it, especially when they kept making numerous references to how "the professionals" played it versus "how you folks play it at home". Oh well, it was the very first episode. There seemed to be a massive amount of commercials too.
 
20DollarCue said:
... Most of the time the audio didn't match up...

Oh yeah, I forgot about that one. Real professional, when the audio and video don't quite sync-up.
 
From what I saw, most hard core pool players would have found the show much less interesting than most accustats, but I don't think that was the target audience.

Hopefully when the IPT Tour kicks off and they get a few tournaments into it they can develop compelling drama from pressure packed runouts for big money that even a pool junkie like myself will stop dead in his tracks to watch. Right now, watching celebrity interviews and listening to pseudo smack talk from Loree Jon and Sigel made me want to do something else besides continue to watch.

I can only hope the majority of pool ignorant America was not thinking the same thing.
 
20DollarCue said:
I didn't enjoy this show overall. Even after giving it the benefit of the doubt for being the "first of its kind" or whatever, I didn't like the sound or the commentary. Most of the time the audio didn't match up. The commentary -- what to say about that -- it was painful at best to watch it, especially when they kept making numerous references to how "the professionals" played it versus "how you folks play it at home". Oh well, it was the very first episode. There seemed to be a massive amount of commercials too.

I'm going to tell a story about something I recently said in front of someone. I said" Most people who stay a full twenty in the military are mediocre, because the structure of the military breeds mediocrity." One of the people in the car is a first calss petty officer who is about to retire. He got upset and said" What you're saying I'm mediocre?"

"NO, that's not what I said. I said that the majority of the people who stay in the military are mediocre because the military is setup to breed mediocrity."

He personally inferred that I was referring to him. Why, I don't know, maybe he felt mediocre because he was only retiring as a E-6. It doesn't matter, it's the same thing that is happening here. You people are lumping yourselves into the majority of pool players and calling him a lier when that's not the case.

He says" This is the way professionals play eightball and it's different in such a such way from the way you play it at home."

What is his audience, who is he speaking to? Not you!!! you're the exception, the people who are already into pool. He's talking about the bangers who pick up a pool cue and start playing just for fun. The people playing bar rules or in their fathers basement, who only bought a pool table because he thought it would look good in their game room. Or the people who don't play pool but might have seen it played and know the bar room rules of eightball.

You're making the mistaken assumption that he's talking down to you, when he's only trying to illustrate to the laymen, the differences between what they see on tv and what they play. HIS AUDIENCE ARE NOT POOL PLAYERS, we are already there watching.

He had the little blurb on the big sports show to get the audience that doesn't normally watch pool to get interested. He picked the people he picked to play because it would get both women and men and younger people interested in watching. MAke no mistake, KT is a marketing genius and he doesn't need the pool bum community telling him how he's marketing this all wrong. The pool community has had plenty of time to try and market pool and has failed miserably. So get off your high horse and back down.

So YOU didn't like it, tuff sh$T, who cares, so long as it drew more non pool players interest, which is what it was designed to do.
 
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catscradle said:
I was thinking just the opposite. I thought the show was a waste of time better spent sleeping. However I did finally hear a commentator (pitchman) worse than Mitch Laurence, it was Kevin Trudeau (if I hear one more comment about how much tougher nappy cloth is I'll be ready to kill). The way the show was cut up was also terrible, there was no flow of the match established. Maybe that was because there was no flow, it was all Sigel. The couple of shots they showed him missing were clearly dumps so Loree Jon could do something. Her only runout was a cosmo. However she sure does look damn nice for her age. I wonder how Jean Balukas felt when she heard Loree Jon was the "best woman player ever".
That show may appeal to the masses, I don't know, but anybody who has ever watched an accu-stats tape with Bill Incardona doing the commentary would be going up the wall watching that nonsense. I sincerely hope the rest of the matches are better than this one and presented better on tv. I hope it does appeal to the masses and get more people interested in pool, but unless the presentation improves greatly I won't go out of my way to watch it.
One good thing though, after seeing the natural cures commercial I can't wait to tell my sister she can throw away her insulin pump because this book has a cure for her diabetes.:rolleyes:

Remember that marketing is a PROCESS, not an EVENT. One can't sell the whole world in just one bite, it takes many steps in a big journey. Imho, the reason Kevin was repeating himself about things, that we here on AZ know inside and out, is because he is marketing to the general public who want to be entertained. I heard Kevin's remarks as setting the stage by doing a little educating of non-pool players and bangers for future shows. It reminded me of when indoor arena football started and the public needed to be educated about the rules, playing conditions, etc.

I saw this first show as, not the future of the IPT, but an introduction designed to position the tour in the general public's eye as an exciting thing to watch out for and to tune into again.

Oh, the camera work was so much better...I could actually watch the whole player take a shot, not just see a hand and cue swinging.

Jeff Livingston
 
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