Lost my angle!

Gerry

Gerry

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Tell me if you all run into this same problem. I notice it mostly on 14.1 break shots, what I'd call back cut. When I get an angle greater than maybe 45 deg. I start to lose all perception of the angle, or the feel of the angle. honestly I'm guessing when lining up on these shots, and they are my run stoppers of late. I go through my normal routine, but the demon of doubt is there. I don't seem to notice it when playing 1P. Last practice session I was intentionally changing my patterns to avoid these breakers with some luck (a nice 70), but I don't wanna make this handicap a sticking point or go mental over it. Do any of you avoid certain shots just cause you don't like the feel of them?..........Thanx.......Gerry
 
take the bull by the head (or something like that). i had the same problem. push yourself to play the shot! try to get position each time so u HAVE to play these shots. if it dont works, change cue (if u have different). wont change much irl, but sometimes its the mental break u need from this circel you are in. dont run away from the problem, run towards it. practice even if it takes 6 months. u cant have a game where certain shots are avoided. without confidence, the rest of your game will suffer too in the long term.

put up a drill, till u feel u pot these balls easyer then any other ball.
 
Sol, Take the bull by the horns.....is how it goes...

i hear you!.........your right, and I'm on a quest to delete the problems in my game.

Maybe a system is the answer?................nah..I'm not going there, I'm affraid of analysis peralysis (sp)...........Gerry
 
well i didnt wrote anything u didnt know right? u are FAR more experienced then me. maybe u just needed to hear it from someone else to be confident in it, and i was glad to say out loud what u where thinking.

ill try to find another fancy one liner for u:

your game is only as good as your weakest link...

(maybe i should get a trademark on that sentence :D one day, when ill be famous and a good pool player (like IF :rolleyes: ), it will be the first line of my pool DVD.)

good luck gerry,

ps: ow almost forgot it. train these shots with your eyes closed. really this is NOT a joke. aim, set, close your eyes and shoot. once u'll feel confident playing them eyes closed, ull be laughing at them when ull need to play them with your eyes wide open, and all this angle fears will be something u'll laugh about later. Trust me on this one.

(mmm another trademark drill from Solly the nab... maybe i should patent it, sell it, so i can buy me my first cue.... I accept paypall by the way :p )
 
Gerry said:
Sol, Take the bull by the horns.....is how it goes...

i hear you!.........your right, and I'm on a quest to delete the problems in my game.

Maybe a system is the answer?................nah..I'm not going there, I'm affraid of analysis peralysis (sp)...........Gerry
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if you perceve angles Im assuming you stand more up right? there are a couple things you can do, If you dont want to change your game, if you dont think your right, raise up, look at the shot then go back down... never stroke the cue ball unless you feel right..

Im on a lazer kick today, so I suggest using lazer to relearn the shot.. once your mind programs the shot you wont need the lazer.. very useful imho...

good luck!

2wld4u
 
2wld4u said:
if you perceve angles Im assuming you stand more up right? there are a couple things you can do, If you dont want to change your game, if you dont think your right, raise up, look at the shot then go back down... never stroke the cue ball unless you feel right..
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Agreed. If it doesn't feel right it probably isn't. This angle, and anything close to this, always gets me. But Sol's right- run towards the prob. Only way to get better at it is to practice. I use the quarter/half/full (or whatever it's called) system on that one, and I have more of a visual of what I know has made that shot in the past which is cutting it at about 20-30%.

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Here's the shot I'm talking about. For a long time I have been avoiding this because I know I miss it more than any other break ball. Now, move the object ball and the cueball over by the rail with the same angle and thats my favorite break shot! That's why I'm asking myself WTF is the deal?:)

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BTW, yes, I percieve angles, stand behind the shot, see the angle, then get down on the shot, and stroke spin on the ball with my backhand. Sometimes when I"m "off" I'll shoot very upright to make it easier to see my angles, kinda like the old school straight pool players...........Gerry
 
some of my most favorite breakers, don't forget I'm a lefty!:)

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Gerry said:
Tell me if you all run into this same problem. I notice it mostly on 14.1 break shots, what I'd call back cut. When I get an angle greater than maybe 45 deg. I start to lose all perception of the angle, or the feel of the angle. ...Do any of you avoid certain shots just cause you don't like the feel of them?..........Thanx.......Gerry
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I would suggest the use of an aiming system. The back cut is where aiming systems have helped me the most. A lot of these shots really are difficult from a perception/optics point of view. So, I like something a little more finite to aim at.

Inside ferrrule edge, inside cueball tip to outside obect ball edge, small ball to edge, etc., or Joe Tucker's number system.

Fred <~~~ and don't forget about squirt
 
If oyu don't want to use an aiming system

If you don't want to use an aiming system I would suggest trusting yourself. The problem I think that a lot of people have with high degree angle cuts is that when they line up on them it looks wrong. It looks wrong because the CP is SOO far off of the center of the CB. Try trusting your aimline and stroke straight through the CB don't second guess yourself and try a last second adjustment in your aim.

But I would suggest using an aim system so you're not guessing on the CPs
 
i think your problem is not the angle, but the distance and the confidence if the ob is in the middle of the table.

do some training drills, with setting up the ob closer to the pocket, pocket it 5 times without missing, then move it 2 inches further of the pocket, and more in the middle of the table. continue till u can pocket it 5 times without missing. once u got to the distance u fear, and dont feel confi, shoot it 20 times, then 20 times blindly, do a quick rack just to change your mind, reset the ball u fear and pot it with your eyes open and enjoy :D
 
I don't run nearly as many balls as you, but could it be that when you've got that break shot closer to the rail that the rack is less of a distraction in your aiming? Doesn't take much of a loss of focus to miss a back cut like that.
 
Gerry said:
Here's the shot I'm talking about. For a long time I have been avoiding this because I know I miss it more than any other break ball. Now, move the object ball and the cueball over by the rail with the same angle and thats my favorite break shot! That's why I'm asking myself WTF is the deal?:)

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BTW, yes, I percieve angles, stand behind the shot, see the angle, then get down on the shot, and stroke spin on the ball with my backhand. Sometimes when I"m "off" I'll shoot very upright to make it easier to see my angles, kinda like the old school straight pool players...........Gerry
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I think when you move the balls closer to the rail, the rail gives you a better guide to the pocket. Which helps you see the angle much better. We've all shot both but I wouldn't want to make a living shooting this break shot. LOL Its not the most desirable break shot. Sure you'll scatter the balls across Texas, but at some risk.

Do you play this shot, or is it because you failed to play better position? In my case I'd want whitey in appx a straight line with the one rather than a back cut. My thoughts are play to your strengths and avoid these type of break shots. If you fail to play better position, I'd suggest your position play needs work or your ball selection on mid and end game needs better planning.

I'd never discount that you need to work on this shot but as I said why play that position unless you had no option. You mention using your backhand for english? As I see this shot you really don't have a need for english. With the speed needed its going to splatter the balls. Using center ball you don't have to compensate, no need to think about any throw at this angle and speed. I don't know, why not just keep it simple?

As someone mentioned also, possibly the ball being close to the rack isn't helping matters either. It could be a distraction since you don't have an open back ground. You have to see only that ball and deliver a smooth straight stroke. Speed isn't an issue so don't force it since any extra effort could throw your stroke off line. I'd accept appx a med speed break, whatever it takes to be accurate. Just my two bits worth.

Rod
 
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