Lots of APA Drama Lately

So if I walked up in a noisy pool room and put my hand on your shoulder to get your attention, trying to tell you someone just walked off with your pool cue, you would hit me? Or call the cops?
 
Some people think that because trespassing is illegal they are within their rights to shoot and kill anyone who steps on their property. I don’t agree, but I’m not going to knock on their door to tell them.
 
Shame the APA is in the title. As stated a few times this has nothing to do with the organization.

The jackass that swung the kick should have been reported and kicked out of the league. Zero excuse for such a reaction. The whole "bad touching' defense is pathetic.
 
Cuedup said:
Unwanted touching is violence.

Legally.
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Are you a lawyer? I doubt you would find one who would take your case if you sued a dude who grabbed your shoulder with good intentions.

I don't like to be touched by many people, but I'm not going to cry 'violence' or 'assault' because of a friendly shoulder grab.

An inconsiderate gesture does not warrant an actual violent response.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Are you a lawyer? I doubt you would find one who would take your case if you sued a dude who grabbed your shoulder with good intentions.

I don't like to be touched by many people, but I'm not going to cry 'violence' or 'assault' because of a friendly shoulder grab.

An inconsiderate gesture does not warrant an actual violent response.
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I get what you are saying but that's not how the law works. You don't get "a lawyer to take your case" when a crime has been committed against you.

Anyone thinking unwanted touching is ok is free to test their theories at the local mall. You will get many and varied reactions. There are a variety of cultural and contextual issues at work that will mostly reinforce what we all learned in kindergarten.

Keep your hand to yourself.

Considering the OP felt the need to make a post about it , along with the way he attempted to frame the issue, is a clear demonstration of where the problem lays.
 
Cuedup said:
Considering the OP felt the need to make a post about it , along with the way he attempted to frame the issue, is a clear demonstration of where the problem lays.
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Like the guy who's knee jerk reaction to someone touching his shoulder is to attempt a field goal would come on here to recant how much of a degenerate he is.

Unless the 'shoulder touch' was actually a badly aimed sucker punch to the head. There was/is/never will be an excuse for escalating what should be a hand shake into assault.

The problem is the delusion that this level of conduct is excusable.
 
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Cuedup said:
I get what you are saying but that's not how the law works. You don't get "a lawyer to take your case" when a crime has been committed against you.

Anyone thinking unwanted touching is ok is free to test their theories at the local mall. You will get many and varied reactions. There are a variety of cultural and contextual issues at work that will mostly reinforce what we all learned in kindergarten.

Keep your hand to yourself.

Considering the OP felt the need to make a post about it , along with the way he attempted to frame the issue, is a clear demonstration of where the problem lays.
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Okay. In most places, a hand on the shoulder is not going to get the law involved, unless there is other history between the two parties.. Guaranteed. Seattle, Portland, sf... It might. Most places, at the most the cops would interview both parties and deescalate the situation. They would also laugh about the guy who made the complaint.

So, you would be going to civil court, hence, getting a lawyer.

As for how the op framed it, I know the op. I have no doubt it went down exactly like he said.
 
It usually doesn't end well for people with anger issues. Many will meet with a very humbling experience at some point. If the kicker was on my team it would be unnecessary to contact the league operator. He would told not to bother showing up for league anymore. No room on the team for that kind of behavior.
 
buckshotshoey said:
So if I walked up in a noisy pool room and put my hand on your shoulder to get your attention, trying to tell you someone just walked off with your pool cue, you would hit me? Or call the cops?
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No of course not. However if I was already pissed off about something, we presume it was the game but noone knows whats going on in his life. I tried to ignore you but you persisted, so I tried to extricate myself from the situation and walk away. Then you spun me around by the shoulder, then maybe.

Still wouldn't go for the balls though, that's dirty pool.

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Cuedup said:
Unwanted touching is violence.

Legally.
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Because the legal system was made for morons without brains not those that understand what is right and wrong and what is an appropriate reaction to situations. You don't stab someone with a knife because they cut in front of you in a line, you don't break someone's car windows because they broke up with you, and you sure as hell don't use violence unless it's clear that is what the person is pushing for. Even if someone is trying to start a fight, the smart thing to do is just ignore them. And any person with a normal brain should be tell the difference between trying to start a fight and anything else.
 
hang-the-9 said:
Because the legal system was made for morons without brains not those that understand what is right and wrong and what is an appropriate reaction to situations. You don't stab someone with a knife because they cut in front of you in a line, you don't break someone's car windows because they broke up with you, and you sure as hell don't use violence unless it's clear that is what the person is pushing for. Even if someone is trying to start a fight, the smart thing to do is just ignore them. And any person with a normal brain should be tell the difference between trying to start a fight and anything else.
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Lots of issues going on and you never know all that are in play.

For instance , a friendly clap on the back to someone with a sunburn.

Bottom line , keep your hands to yourself or accept the consequences.


Or , be a little bitch.
 
Cuedup said:
It's healthy to know there is a significant portion of the population with an aversion to unwanted touching.

Don't whine when you don't like how they touch back.
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I can only hope that I come across those with such a strong aversion to touching, I wouldn't waste my time pissing on them if they were on fire as they may construe that as "me putting my hands on them". To me there is a massive difference between putting my hands on someone and touching them, putting my hands onb someone is usually an aggressive move.
 
DeeDeeCues said:
Okay. In most places, a hand on the shoulder is not going to get the law involved, unless there is other history between the two parties.. Guaranteed. Seattle, Portland, sf... It might. Most places, at the most the cops would interview both parties and deescalate the situation. They would also laugh about the guy who made the complaint.

So, you would be going to civil court, hence, getting a lawyer.

As for how the op framed it, I know the op. I have no doubt it went down exactly like he said.
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Cmon man, why would you use sound judgement to derail a thread about snowflakes???
 
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