lucky's prices
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iconcuecom said:lucky gave me a quote of 80k on this black boar.
extremely beautiful cue but just a tad bit overpriced
what a guy!
that sounds about right? compared to a cup of coffee in japan.
why dont you buy one fly around the world and see what it would be worth to you?
i guesstamate about 250 inlays? hhhhmmmmm.... i wonder what a szamboti with that many inlays would cost? .....from barry?
or maybee he just likes it that much, i know he has several hundred more cues that he wouldnt sell that cheap.
maybee you should trade him a fancy gus 8pointer for it, he might bite.
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You have to be fair. I contacted Lucky about possibly buying a Southwest from him and he steered me in the right direction. He told me that I was better off buying from someone in the states because he marks them up specifically because of the demand in Japan. People will pay that price oversees because they are not readily available, that is to say, local.
So he makes a profit. Thats the name of the game. But he didn't try to rip me off. In fact, he tried to tell me that if I bought from him I'd be paying too much.
So he makes a profit. Thats the name of the game. But he didn't try to rip me off. In fact, he tried to tell me that if I bought from him I'd be paying too much.
iconcuecom said:lucky gave me a quote of 80k on this black boar.
extremely beautiful cue but just a tad bit overpriced
what a guy!
I agree that the cue in question may be a bit over priced, but I also agree that he has a very large overhead and I doubt you could get that cue any cheaper, there prolly ain't another one out there to comparison price.
I also give him much credit just for giving you a price, maybe he doesn't want to sell it and that's his number, some things just aren't for sale, but you know there is always a number that changes that.
What I can't stand is when a web-site puts a cue up for sale with no price and either puts ask or contact, that's just bullshit.
I would much rather see a stupid high price then none at all.
Jim
iconcuecom said:lucky gave me a quote of 80k on this black boar.
extremely beautiful cue but just a tad bit overpriced
what a guy!
WOW and we just sold a fancy one for $ 5,500.00. No wonder its tough to sit down
Joe
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JimBo said:
the only high overhead lucky has is what he put on himself in the way of the cue maker contracts.
the fact is he's ripping off the japanese consumer. he contracts the makers so they can't sell here and compare prices or he get cues made just for his market by contract do they can't compare apples to apples.
we live in a global internet based enconomy and business arrangements like his will not survive.
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iconcuecom said:
well it wouldnt make sence to you cause you didnt anwswer my other questions.
global internet based economy? what the *&%@%$%^# does that have to do with it? we get mad at $ 2.30 a gallon for gas in japan its that much a litre. gal. = 3.8 litre hhhmmm.... the global internet dont seem to be helping that price either.
just compare the price of fresh blue fin in the states to japan?
you mention contracts yet you have never seen one.
and if that seems expensive call ernie and buy his old ivory handle one.
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merylane said:
what does a global economy have to do with selling prices? it has everything to do with it. and it will be the reason lucky fails in the end. his prices are not consistent with currency exchange rates.
you are correct that i have never seen one of the contracts but i do know they exist. tony s. (black boar) can't even do repair work on his own cues.
classiccues said:WOW and we just sold a fancy one for $ 5,500.00. No wonder its tough to sit down
Joe
"We" Joe???? LOL
Why do you continue to act a fool here and make stupid posts, you should be the last one to try and rip one of your boss’s competitors. I am quite sure your boss knows the reason for pricing a cue way over value, I'm also sure he can explain it to you without to much work. Trying to make insinuations to the contrary only makes you look like a moron. I'm not trying to put a BB in the same class as a Bushka, but I am pretty sure you get the concept (yet I'm sure you'll try to argue it LOL)
Jim
iconcuecom said:
The only high overhead??? LOL you really have no clue.
How can anyone rip off the Japanese consumers?? Does he force them to buy cues? Does he force them to buy from him?? It's business and it's called supply and demand, he can only charge what people will pay you know.
As far as his overhead goes you just have no concept of business.
He has one of the best (if not the best) web-sites on the net.
He travels here to buy and transport cues.
He takes out huge adds in Pool Mags over there (I've seen them)
He has an upscale store that sells just cues (only one I know of)
He has a big Hopkins style show that he brings cuemakers over for.
If you really believe these things don't cost money you're a fool.
All this aside I'm not defending him or his prices, with the advent of the global economy and the internet anyone can easily go to E-bay and take there chances and save a bunch of money. There is NOBODY in the world who can tell someone what to charge for something he is selling, there is however many options as to where you can buy from.
Don't blame Lucky for being a good businessman, just shop someplace else. Why that needs to be said I'll never understand. If I want to start a website and put crazy high prices on cues it’s my prerogative, nobody has to buy from me.
Jim
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JimBo said:
you are partially correct
that's why lucky's sales are going down while his supply remains the same. and also why he will fail in the end.
personally i think his web site is pathetic and that he is far from a good businessman. cue makers/sellers here have the same overhead costs as lucky with the exception of location.
no he doesn't and can't force them to buy cues from him and that is why they will and have already started to go somewhere else.
also i've owned and run several successful business entities. so i think i know a little bit about business. maybe not as much as you.
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JimBo said:
It retarded posts like this that make me not want to share information with you via private e-mail. Don't EVER ask me a question via PM or IM, again. Or I will post it publicly. All I did was state WE sold one for 5.5k. Don't like WE, you know what you can do.
Joe
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merylane said:
fly around the world and see what it would be worth??? guess you mean the cost of freight for the cues from the usa to japan - this certainly wouldn't account for his prices.
i'm sure barry didnt charge 80k for the golden szamboti - his fanciest cue to date with an ivory handle and gold inlays. i also wouldn't compare black boars with szamboti's. the work is entirely different.
iconcuecom said:fly around the world and see what it would be worth??? guess you mean the cost of freight for the cues from the usa to japan - this certainly wouldn't account for his prices.
i'm sure barry didnt charge 80k for the golden szamboti - his fanciest cue to date with an ivory handle and gold inlays. i also wouldn't compare black boars with szamboti's. the work is entirely different.
maybee he should have? are you sure he didnt?
ok ok i see. just compare gas and tuna and see what you come up with?
all of japan is like manhatten, inflated so go figger.
i dont know what you would have a broblem with? if your a collector or dealer i would think the higher the price the better off you will be?
It seems that some are saying Lucky charges too much. Well, high end cues are artwork, or maybe even jewelry. In NYC, you can buy the same diamonds (color, cut, quality) at Tiffany's or at the local diamond merchants. Some pay the high Tiffany's price and some won't.
The buyer gets to choose. No gun to the head. If only Tiffany's sells a particular style of jewelry and you want it, but won't pay their price (substitute Black Boar here). Too bad. They have it, so pay up or move on.
To say Lucky is going to go out of business is quite rude. Maybe he will and maybe he won't, or maybe he'll make so much money he'll close down and retire. I don't care to count other people's money.
If someone charges a price and someone pays the price, a transaction occurs. High, low, cheap, expensive - whatever.
The buyer gets to choose. No gun to the head. If only Tiffany's sells a particular style of jewelry and you want it, but won't pay their price (substitute Black Boar here). Too bad. They have it, so pay up or move on.
To say Lucky is going to go out of business is quite rude. Maybe he will and maybe he won't, or maybe he'll make so much money he'll close down and retire. I don't care to count other people's money.
If someone charges a price and someone pays the price, a transaction occurs. High, low, cheap, expensive - whatever.
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merylane its hard to respond to your questions or statements. they don't really make a lot of sense. are you japanese? you would think that the way you are taking up for him - that you are in fact lucky!
the problem i have is i would like a black boar like the one pictured. but at 80k i would never see a return on investment in my childrens lifetime much less mine. plus i currently have 3 blk boars i would like tony s to do some work on.
if there is no agreements with cue makers than why is someone like tony s forbidden to do repair work or make any cues for u.s. distribution?
merylane said:
merylane its hard to respond to your questions or statements. they don't really make a lot of sense. are you japanese? you would think that the way you are taking up for him - that you are in fact lucky!
the problem i have is i would like a black boar like the one pictured. but at 80k i would never see a return on investment in my childrens lifetime much less mine. plus i currently have 3 blk boars i would like tony s to do some work on.
if there is no agreements with cue makers than why is someone like tony s forbidden to do repair work or make any cues for u.s. distribution?
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