Madden cues

I think everyone missed my point. The only thing in my post that i put in was the link to Arnot's site. The rest was a quote from CaptiveBread.
 
JoeyInCali said:
That is already the case.
CNC'd cues are cheap these days.
Except those cnc'd cues that really look pretty.
Reputed great-hitting cues are not.
No points/inlays cues from reputed makers cost more than other much fancier cnc'd cues.
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I personally feel the Cue make is driven by many factors like:

Supply & Demand

Also reputation of the Cuemaker, Advertising Hype, and other Factors play into the equation.

The True Value of almost everything is set when the buyer & seller agree to a price to be paid by the buy, the seller is willing to accept.



The FAUX Artist Thomas Kincade is a GREAT EXAMPLE of someone who work has been hyped to inflate the Price of his FAUX ART, but much of his Art is for sale on E-bay, with little taker in the REAL ART WORLD.

Thomas Kincade is a Marketing Genius, but IMO not much of a True Artist, but he laughs all the way to the Bank.
 
Jack Madden Cues

Amen, to that comment, Crazyman. But don't fret for I am the proud owner of one of the most unique cues that Jack ever built and that wife, Bev ever inlaid. May I expound a bit.... When Jack left Phoenix, to set up shop in his native state of Montana, he cut down a Russian Olive tree growing in his front yard. He took the tree trunk with him and later immersed it in parafine, and tossed it aside. Approx five years later, he cut away the parafine and dropped the Olive wood on the cement floor of his shop. When it hit the cement, according to Jack it made a resounding "klunk". Jack then knew it had cured nicely. He was able to turn it down on his lathe and ultimately transform it into a single butte. He then did a masterful job of inlaying four points of ebony. From there Bev took over and added 18 inlaid diamond points of beautiful moose antler. Jack finished off the cue with an elephant ear leather wrap, moose antler butte cap, four silver beauty rings, and a one-of-a-kind moose antler joint protector with his trademark inside a diamond shaped cut out. It is unequivocally one of the most beautiful cues in my collection and I would compare its craftsmanship with my Gina Cue that took three years for Ernie to deliver. How does it play you ask? I am strictly a bank player and on my nine foot Diamond Pro w/860 Simonis, I have had two runs of nine and many more of seven and eight. I will sell it for $10,000.00. By the way, I turned down that much for my Gina at the DCC.

Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best and beat the rest"
 
CrossSideLarry said:
Amen, to that comment, Crazyman. But don't fret for I am the proud owner of one of the most unique cues that Jack ever built and that wife, Bev ever inlaid. May I expound a bit.... When Jack left Phoenix, to set up shop in his native state of Montana, he cut down a Russian Olive tree growing in his front yard. He took the tree trunk with him and later immersed it in parafine, and tossed it aside. Approx five years later, he cut away the parafine and dropped the Olive wood on the cement floor of his shop. When it hit the cement, according to Jack it made a resounding "klunk". Jack then knew it had cured nicely. He was able to turn it down on his lathe and ultimately transform it into a single butte. He then did a masterful job of inlaying four points of ebony. From there Bev took over and added 18 inlaid diamond points of beautiful moose antler. Jack finished off the cue with an elephant ear leather wrap, moose antler butte cap, four silver beauty rings, and a one-of-a-kind moose antler joint protector with his trademark inside a diamond shaped cut out. It is unequivocally one of the most beautiful cues in my collection and I would compare its craftsmanship with my Gina Cue that took three years for Ernie to deliver. How does it play you ask? I am strictly a bank player and on my nine foot Diamond Pro w/860 Simonis, I have had two runs of nine and many more of seven and eight. I will sell it for $10,000.00. By the way, I turned down that much for my Gina at the DCC.


Cross Side Larry

"Learn from the best and beat the rest"
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Please Post a photo of your Jack Madden Cue, as it sound unique

Plus 1 Photo=1,000 Words...





P.S. I think you should have taken the 10K for your Gina at the DCC, as I see you only paid $4,200.00 for it when you were trying to sel/trade the Gina a while back.

Plus it is replaceable in 9-12 months from Ernie as it is one of his Standard Models
 
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Picture of my olive wood Madden cue!

Poolsleuth:

I shall post a pic of my Madden cue soon. I am in process of changing over computer systems. Guarantee you will love it!

Best Regards,

Cross Side Larry
 
CaptiveBred said:
cnc points or a pattern... Anything that uses duplicating methods is worth no more than a production cue to me.
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IMO, that's too broad a statement and is short-sighted. Thomas Wayne among other masters use a CNC. Most inlaying techniques are used with patterns with a pantomill/pantograph.


I would look for a cue maker that knives in points and makes full splice cues (don't know if john maddens are full),
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If these are your criteria, you have very few cuemakers to choose. Knives in points??? Who does that? Do you mean "sharpen the inlays"?

Only a handful can execute a full-splice. And they sure as hell don't knife in those points. And the jury will always be out as to whether a full-splice is any better than a V-groove half-splice technique.

Regardless, Jack Madden is a tremendous craftsman.

I am more of a hand crafted masterpiece consumer if the price is high
I understand fully.
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Show me a list of your preferred cuemakers then, and I and others will tell you why they should be then disqualified from your own list. I don't think you fully understand who is using what and why.

I've been a wood worker all my life. I know the advent of computer driven tools changed the world of tooling for the easier. Thats my point, if it is easier, it should cost less."
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I don't want to be an educator, but I have to respond to this very misleading and uneducated statement. It is completely unfair to cuemakers who use CNC, and it borders on downright lies. If everyone visited some of these shops, they would never say any of this hogwash. Thomas Wayne, Ernie Gutierrez, Samsara at the top, and a whole slew of others at the next levels. Do you believe that anyone can make these cues as long as they have their equipment? Is everyone that naïve?

Fred
 
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CaptiveBred said:
cnc points or a pattern... Anything that uses duplicating methods is worth no more than a production cue to me. I'm sure his cues play nice and are well made, just not worth the price.

When I see rounded points the value of the cue drops quite a bit.

I am more of a hand crafted masterpiece consumer if the price is high. If the price is low, I expect production techniques."
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Agree that CNC doesn't appeal much to me and would not typically consider them a "high end" cue. Have heard nothing but very good things about Mr. Maddens cues and their playability and quality construction.

Would say a CNC'd Schon can play as well or better as many high end customs. That said, any rounded CNC points are a long way from beautiful Mottey, Scruggs, Tascarella point work.:)
 
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