major problem w/ Triangle tips....

seven

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I've been doing cue repair for about 1 year. in that year I've installed about 10 triangle tips. triange tips are supposed to be hard. but all the tips I've installed feel soft. they have some give. I play with a morri hard & noticed that triangles are considerably softer than any hard tip I have played with. even softer that le pro's. I installed one on my extra shaft just to see if after a few hours of play they harden up. but. it hasnt. I thought maybe I got a bad batch. so I ordered a new box. same thing :( I heard something somewhere about a bluer looking triange tip. but none of my two boxes have any of them. BTW I do press them in a vise. any suggestions? is there a special way to install these tips. I do very good tip work & just dont understand what the problem is. TIA
 
seven said:
I've been doing cue repair for about 1 year. in that year I've installed about 10 triangle tips. triange tips are supposed to be hard. but all the tips I've installed feel soft. they have some give. I play with a morri hard & noticed that triangles are considerably softer than any hard tip I have played with. even softer that le pro's. I installed one on my extra shaft just to see if after a few hours of play they harden up. but. it hasnt. I thought maybe I got a bad batch. so I ordered a new box. same thing :( I heard something somewhere about a bluer looking triange tip. but none of my two boxes have any of them. BTW I do press them in a vise. any suggestions? is there a special way to install these tips. I do very good tip work & just dont understand what the problem is. TIA

The problem is not with you - it is with the tips themselves. I have also noticed that Triangle tips are NOT what they used to be. I stopped using them a couple of years ago when every box was bad. I no longer recommend LePro tips or Triangle tips.
 
Arnot Wadsworth said:
The problem is not with you - it is with the tips themselves. I have also noticed that Triangle tips are NOT what they used to be. I stopped using them a couple of years ago when every box was bad. I no longer recommend LePro tips or Triangle tips.

Damn, and I just got a new box in.
 
Take your Triangle tips and press them in a vise before installing them. They are harder on a rubber durometer than LePro but have always played softer. The reason is they are made of a course leather. They grip the ball better than Moori or LePro, but feel spongey if you don't press them first. If your preference is the Hard Moori then you will probably never like the Triangle. But those who feel Moori tips play too hard or miscue too often they will probably like the pressed Triangle. I still put on more Triangles than any other tip, but would not even consider using them if I did not press them first. Press them between two flat surfaces. This will push the middle down about even with the outside shoulder making the tip a consistant hardness all the way through. I feel that to quit using Triangles would leave a lot of players with no tip that fit their needs.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com
 
cueman said:
Take your Triangle tips and press them in a vise before installing them.

I do press them flat. maybe I'm not pressing them hard enough.
maybe I'll try webbs idea. anvil & hammer
 
Triangles are great tips in my opinion. Like Chris says, if you want them firm, press them. (goes for LePro tips too) Or if someone wants a soft or medium, put them on without pressing. I usually throw away some percentage of single-layer tips, you can look at the grain of the leather, and tap them on a hard surface to give you clues as to whether they will be good or not, and to how hard they will be.
What do you expect for 50 cents? (or less)
I normally put layered tips on my cues, but still get lots of customers that want solid tips.
 
It seems to me that the popularity of layered tips is starting to get to the solid tip makers.
But i can't see how they could make them any cheaper than they do now.
Even if a triangle isn't as "blue" as i would want, if it's pressed hard, and cut down about 2/3 or (even better) 1/2 the way down, it still plays jam up.
 
Yep I press almost all my tips. except on rare ocasion. If a tip will press in a vice, then it's sure to compress over time from being shot with anyway, Correct? some people like to go natural, and let them compress on their own in time, but for me the hardness would always be changing, and could get confusing due to inconsistent feel. Not to mention constantly having to fix mushrooms.

You guys are correct about the tips, I don't ever find those few gems in a box anymore, in fact the commons are not even as good, and some I have to toss or give away. heck I can't even find what a common used to be in a box now days.

I tap on tips like that sometimes sheldon, and they sound hollow like a piece of cardboard or something.

I am mostly doing layered now, but some do still want the solid less expensive tips.

Most of the people I use to do Lepro's on are starting to move to the mooris, and seems to be a decent switch for them, as most are very happy. I shoot with one Myself, and really like it, but seems to miscue some with Me at the worste times as mentioned. I am trying a new tip out that is supposed to grab alittle better, but hav'nt had the time to put it to the test yet.

Greg
 
cueman said:
I have done layered tips both ways. I have decided not to press Moori tips. They usually mushroom a little and then I trim that off for the customer at no charge. Layered tips seem to be more likely to delaminate more often when pressed.
Chris
www.hightowercues.com
www.internationalcuemakers.com




Chris,

Did you have problems with the mooris delaminating also? I have been pressing them for a good while, and had no problem so far, but you are correct that some tips will do It, altough seems to me they delaminate easily no matter what you do, if they decide they are going to do It, they do. usually from a bad batch of tips It seems from what I've come accross, but not positive on all I've seen, just the ones I have used regularlly in the past. You have Me concerned If I should worry about the mooris doing that :D I don't try to press so hard that I sqeeze juice from them or anything.

I am aware of some laminated tips that are of the softer variety which I do not press. the laminations will usually shift to one side on those types.

I do have a few people who prefer the mooris unpressed also, and you are correct they usually mushroom one time and then are good after one trimming, but had no problems other then that either way. Thanks Greg
 
> I repress just about every tip I put on,even Elk Masters,unless specifically asked NOT to. When people started bringing me small repairs like this,I didn't repress them,and had most people come back and complain that it had mushroomed and expected me to either fix it or replace the tip for free. I solved this by pressing everything,and cutting/sanding the tip on a very slight taper,so when it eventually mushrooms,which just about all of them do at some point,it comes back to flush,or very close. I even try and teach people how to use something simple and readily available such as a small piece of an old leather wallet,or an index card to condition their tips. Most just pull out the good old green 400 grit Scotch-Brite pad and "slick" up their shaft that was sealed,waxed,and burnished to the point of appearing to be clearcoated. I agree that Triangle tips play much better when repressed and thinned down,and also agree that the overall quality of tips has declined,even over the last 10 years. Earl Strickland and I discussed this point one day at Joe Blackburn's booth at the U.S. Open,while both waiting on repairs. He said that he finds it very difficult to find quality tips,even from brands that he said used to be great,and that back when he really started to gain prominence,that he could often go an entire rack without rechalking,because the quality of the raw leather was better than now. His explanation for this phenomena? Recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone,or RBGH as it is known for farmers. This is basically a steroid/Miracle-Grow type stuff fed to cattle to grow a full sized,meat producing animal in less time,as opposed to the older,natural process,which also makes for a better quality hide. It makes sense in an Earl sort of way. At the time,he was using hand picked Triangles,buying 5 boxes at a time and picking out the "whitest" looking ones,claiming they had more "grit" in them. I find the whitish looking ones to be firmer/denser,sometimes dramtically so. I have completely stopped looking for the perfect tip,having found it in the good old one piece Sumo,or other high quality WB,repressed until dead flat and bulging slightly. As far as the laminated stuff,I was really fond of the original XH Moori,back when there were 5 grades,as well as the Talisman UH or XH,but had too many of them come apart. As a repairman that doesn't get the volume of repairs that most of the guys on this forum do,it no longer makes sense for me to even keep more than a 10 pack of assorted Talisman stuff on hand,practically no one around here will spend the extra money on them. Back when I first discovered Moori's,I bought 20,at 20 a pop,thinking that once people back home discovered them,and realized their advantages,they would sell quickly and would pay for the initial investment. The result? I actually installed 2 out of the whole lot for customers,the rest were either used on my own cues or installed for friends. NO one else I tried to expose to them wanted to pay the kind of price they command,even doing the work for 5 bucks and selling them the tip at cost. I'm sure this will change once I start going out and setting up at tournaments though. Tommy D.
 
Tommy
If it's any consolation. The only layered tips I choose to carry are Hercules and Moori. They are the only two that have held up over time in my opinion.
 
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