McDermott finally fixing the "tacky" defy problem... Hopefully.

My son is sponsored by McDermott and I can say that they have been working hard to solve this issue. Each time they thought they had it fixed they sent my son a prototype to test (he has received a few different ones to test). This last one my son received has been working a lot better.
 
I have a brand new Defy, 12.5 mm, 29 inch. No hint of tackiness, and I haven't put any wax, cue slick or anything else on the shaft. Anyone in my area (Four Corners) come by and and I'll let you try it out.
 

straightline said:
Graphene is weird stuff. It flakes off pencil lead in a mono-molecular layer but when they're done with it, it's super strong and still weighs nothing. How is it applied to the resin?
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I'm actually not sure of the process. Since theyre doing it post production I'd say it's likely a thermal, electo or combo of both type of process. Only way I'd imagine it'd be permanent.
 
Just got my new Defy shaft, 12mm, and no hint of tackiness. Cleaned it with 91% alcohol and it’s as smooth as any CF shaft I’ve tried.
 
Benelli said:
So are you saying I should not lick my defy shaft now or only after I get it recoated?

Asking for a friend...
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I was a window licker when young (I am not saying that I have ever stopped) I must have ingested a lot of nasty chemicals and I'm doing OK, at least according to me, maybe not so much according to my wife.
 
Tom1234 said:
Just got my new Defy shaft, 12mm, and no hint of tackiness. Cleaned it with 91% alcohol and it’s as smooth as any CF shaft I’ve tried.
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Would be nice if they would just publish what they are doing. I was interested in one of these shafts, bought one, it was too tacky, sent it back.

More recently I asked seberts what the coating was on the shaft, they said they weren't sure, seemed like paint of some kind, I should contact McDermott. I emailed them, never got a response.

I'm a little suspicious of any process that puts a coating on after the fact, how long will it last, is a little coming off every time I wipe the shaft, is a little coming off every time I stroke the shaft etc.

It's funny that other brands do nothing, pretty sure you're just feeling cf on some. Did McDermott need to do this to support that fancy paint job?
 
I bought my Defy shaft back in January. I could never get it smooth. I sent it back to McDermott last week and got it back yesterday.
It's good now, it doesn't have the shiny finish. It looks like any other cf shaft and is quite slick.
Hopefully it stays that way.
 
maha said:
this nano technology stuff hasnt been deemed safe yet for extended use in close quarters and your skin. it can cause very serious blood, and brain issues if too much is ingested to your bloodstream. that amount hasnt been determined.
it may be fine but i would certainly not play without a glove. ill stick with wood.
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Sorry man but breathing is probably more toxic than sliding a cue across your hand. Do you think that they use completely safe chemicals in the process of making wood shafts? If you prefer wood, more power to ya! Different strokes for different folks. However, if I'm being honest, the reasoning you gave as far as health concerns is somewhat comical. Maybe it's because I was an aircraft mechanic in the air Force. I've been showered in oil, jo8 fuel, hydraulic fluid and human waste.... Sure whatever coating is permanently "baked" on these shafts will be just fine. Not to mention, if you are like most pool players, I'm sure you put LITERAL poison (alcohol) in your mouth when you're at the bar. I guarantee the alcohol is more toxic than any chemical on any shaft.🤷
 
dendweller said:
Would be nice if they would just publish what they are doing. I was interested in one of these shafts, bought one, it was too tacky, sent it back.

More recently I asked seberts what the coating was on the shaft, they said they weren't sure, seemed like paint of some kind, I should contact McDermott. I emailed them, never got a response.

I'm a little suspicious of any process that puts a coating on after the fact, how long will it last, is a little coming off every time I wipe the shaft, is a little coming off every time I stroke the shaft etc.

It's funny that other brands do nothing, pretty sure you're just feeling cf on some. Did McDermott need to do this to support that fancy paint job?
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When I spoke with McDermott, they said "the gel coat was to protect from UV rays."😂 I was like "wtf, didn't know people were out here playing pool on the beach." Ultimately, I think they put the coating on in order to be different. Either that or they didn't like the look of the processing. For example the Jacoby black shaft is amazing but it does look a little weird. Can kinda see a sheen from the different carbon fiber directions, especially on the table. Hard to explain but if youve seen a black shaft youd know what I'm talking about. My guess is McDermott hadn't refined the process quite yet and didn't want to expose the blemishes of the process. That's all just speculation.

As far as the graphene coming off, I don't see that being an issue. It seems to be permanent from what I've noticed so far. I used graphene car products and they lasted a session or two before coming off. The McDermott graphene has shown no signs of wearing down at all. Guessing it was put on with either thermal or electro thermal process. Time will tell though.
 
George the Greek said:
I've done a ton of cars,trucks and boats with ceramic coating and one vehicle with graphene. I was wondering how it would work on the carbon shafts when you see these guys constantly wiping . I wouldn't think it would last doing that.
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I've used graphene car products and they are short lived. Considering using ceramic coating but am not certain it'd help with the tackiness. If it doesn't, the ceramic coating I have is nearly permanent. Didn't want to take a chance of it not helping and then having warranty voided.

Whatever McDermott did seems to be a permanent solution so far! It is EXPONENTIALLY better and has shown no signs of breaking down. Only time will tell.
 
4door most old pool players are already dead, died young, from what they put in their bodies. your toxic life may get you soon, or not if you are lucky.
doesnt mean its safe and doesnt mean it isnt safe to use the shafts.
you be your own judge as what to do.
 
As I understand it, Scotch tape and pencil lead will get you graphene so in and of itself, it's just carbon. It becomes grahene when in sticking to the tape, it flakes into a hex lattice one molecule thick - could be one atom thick, I forget.
Any toxicity and - there's plenty all the way up the supply chain, is in the manufacturing process.
 
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