McDermott I-Shaft seems to be low deflection!

Billy_Bob said:
I've noticed that the new McDermott I-shafts have been added to the following deflection ratings page and the I-3 is just below the 314...

http://www.platinumbilliards.com/rating_deflect.php
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I just checked-out McDermott's website. Unfortunately there is nothing mentioned about how the shaft is made and frankly, they're priced awefully close to Predator 314/Z shafts. The numbers provided by the website are typical company propaganda showing percentages over the "standard" shaft that just don't make any real sense. "50% more power" Could you imagine if Frankie Hernandez could ADD 15 mph to his break? I think the entire world would start wearing helmets.

Sadly, in all liklihood, this marketing scheme will likely work with most customers.


Jude M. Rosenstock
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I just checked-out McDermott's website. Unfortunately there is nothing mentioned about how the shaft is made and frankly,
Sadly, in all liklihood, this marketing scheme will likely work with most customers.
Jude M. Rosenstock
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Their ad in Billiards Digest showed how it was made. There's nothing "sadly" about the shaft and as far as I'm concerned it's heads and shoulders above a Predator. And BillyBob, you always seem to have deflection on your brain and all of these comparison charts with Platinum Billiards or whatever Ron Shepard wrote in one of his creative writing moments. F*#K them and him. Hey...the shaft works, and feels good, that's all that matters. It really IS a new development that works. Somebody said the other day that Bill Stroud is experimenting with graphite in shafts for JossWest. He's one of the innovators in new ideas when it comes to cue making and always has been. What does that tell you if it isn't good or possibly the wave of the future?
 
drivermaker said:
Their ad in Billiards Digest showed how it was made. There's nothing "sadly" about the shaft and as far as I'm concerned it's heads and shoulders above a Predator. And BillyBob, you always seem to have deflection on your brain and all of these comparison charts with Platinum Billiards or whatever Ron Shepard wrote in one of his creative writing moments. F*#K them and him. Hey...the shaft works, and feels good, that's all that matters. It really IS a new development that works. Somebody said the other day that Bill Stroud is experimenting with graphite in shafts for JossWest. He's one of the innovators in new ideas when it comes to cue making and always has been. What does that tell you if it isn't good or possibly the wave of the future?
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Hey, I never said the shaft was no good. I'm simply saying their marketing has misleading information. It's also relatively expensive and will sit on the shelf right next to Predator. Honestly, I can't see myself "trying something out" for $200. I'm glad they show how it's made on Billiards Digest's website but the fact remains, that's more research than what should be necessary.


Jude M. Rosenstock
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Hey, I never said the shaft was no good. I'm simply saying their marketing has misleading information. It's also relatively expensive and will sit on the shelf right next to Predator. Honestly, I can't see myself "trying something out" for $200. I'm glad they show how it's made on Billiards Digest's website but the fact remains, that's more research than what should be necessary

Jude M. Rosenstock
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Marketing for anything has "hype" to get attention and start the juices flowing. All in all after reading the performance characteristics of each shaft again, I don't think they've gone overboard or made preposterous claims, although 50% more power seems to have been just thrown out.

What's a couple of bucks here or there...don't be a cheapskate. :D

They must have changed their website. I think it originally had an internal view of the shaft and how it was constructed. You're right, it should be on their site.
 
drivermaker said:
...BillyBob, you always seem to have deflection on your brain...
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Just trying to learn all I can about the game. You may be happy to learn that I am now working on tangent lines!
 
Billy_Bob said:
Just trying to learn all I can about the game. You may be happy to learn that I am now working on tangent lines!
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Here....I'll give you something better and MUCH more important to work on.
Take any and every shot on the table and practice how to move your cue ball to the Center Of The Table or close to either end rail after pocketing the ball. When you can do that any and every time you need to, you'll be a playing sumbitch instead of a whacko science bitch. Seriously, there's just about NO SHOT that can't be made from those CB positions. NONE of the guys you keep quoting with their Ph.D. thesis crap can play worth a damn.
NONE OF 'EM!!
 
"be a playing sumbitch instead of a whacko science bitch"

LOL! Contrary to your opine on the predator shaft, I like the 314 myself. I agree with your cueball positioning drill also.
 
drivermaker said:
NONE of the guys you keep quoting with their Ph.D. thesis crap can play worth a damn.
NONE OF 'EM!!
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now now, i hear that alot of them play a mean game of virtual pool........
 
drivermaker said:
Marketing for anything has "hype" to get attention and start the juices flowing. All in all after reading the performance characteristics of each shaft again, I don't think they've gone overboard or made preposterous claims, although 50% more power seems to have been just thrown out.

What's a couple of bucks here or there...don't be a cheapskate. :D

They must have changed their website. I think it originally had an internal view of the shaft and how it was constructed. You're right, it should be on their site.
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They mention "Feel". If you can explain what "feel" is and how it's measured, I'd love to know. I'm sorry but that entire page of descriptions is just ridiculous. A cue made for fast cloth? Sir, I use a Predator 2 and I'll use it for any cloth presented.

My argument is that we cannot simply listen to what every marketing team has to say about their product. We need to ask intelligent questions and should expect intelligent answers in return. What makes this product so good? How is it made? When comparing it to a "standard" shaft, which brand were you referring to?

My problem with this industry is that from time to time, there's a wave of products that plain suck. They're expensive and/or useless (see Sardo Tight Rack). As a result, I've become skeptical and want to be better informed when making a purchase. Hey, I'm always eager to improve my game and if I think I can gain even a small advantage through equipment, I'll consider it but I'm not going to donate money to a company that's selling crap. Prove to me it ain't crap and I'll consider but this site doesn't do it for me. Sorry.


Jude M. Rosenstock
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Sir, I use a Predator 2

My problem with this industry is that from time to time, there's a wave of products that plain suck. They're expensive and/or useless I'm not going to donate money to a company that's selling crap.

Prove to me it ain't crap and I'll consider

Jude M. Rosenstock
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LMAO...Say no more, now I understand completely. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" (Jude still reeling after he realized the validity of the saying attributed to P.T. Barnum..."There's a sucker born every minute")

I can't prove anything to you, you'll have to prove it to yourself by playing with one. All you can do is take my word, and why should you do that? I wouldn't take yours either. (I like my purchase of the McDermott better than your purchase of the Predator, especially since I have a Predator also to compare it to)

Regarding the supposed P.T. Barnum quote...Hey, I think I resemble that remark. :mad: :eek:
 
drivermaker said:
LMAO...Say no more, now I understand completely. "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" (Jude still reeling after he realized the validity of the saying attributed to P.T. Barnum..."There's a sucker born every minute")

I can't prove anything to you, you'll have to prove it to yourself by playing with one. All you can do is take my word, and why should you do that? I wouldn't take yours either. (I like my purchase of the McDermott better than your purchase of the Predator, especially since I have a Predator also to compare it to)

Regarding the supposed P.T. Barnum quote...Hey, I think I resemble that remark. :mad: :eek:
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LOLOLOL EXACTLY!

Okay, so what is your opinion? Which do you own? What was your opinion of the Predator shaft prior to trying McDermott? Why do you like the McDermott more? Why would you consider it better?

There's a billiard store across the street from my office. Maybe they have it there. I'll give it a shot (no pun intended).


Jude M. Rosenstock
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
LOLOLOL EXACTLY!

Okay, so what is your opinion? Which do you own? What was your opinion of the Predator shaft prior to trying McDermott? Why do you like the McDermott more? Why would you consider it better?

There's a billiard store across the street from my office. Maybe they have it there. I'll give it a shot (no pun intended).



I have the I.C.E. 1 - 13mm. I used the Predator exclusively for a year and found my game to actually grow inconsistent and in some ways worse.
The McDermott just "feels" better and the CB goes where I expect it to go with the kind of movement that I'm looking for. Can I describe "feel"...NO.
But "feel" is there for me and that's all that matters.

You might be hard pressed to find one in stock. They're back ordered and I think the stores are hesitant in ordering them until it can be determined whether they'll sell or not. They don't want to get stuck with the expenditure if they'll just sit there and rot. If they have one, I'm sure they'll let you hit it unchalked.
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drivermaker said:
Jude Rosenstock said:
LOLOLOL EXACTLY!

Okay, so what is your opinion? Which do you own? What was your opinion of the Predator shaft prior to trying McDermott? Why do you like the McDermott more? Why would you consider it better?

There's a billiard store across the street from my office. Maybe they have it there. I'll give it a shot (no pun intended).



I have the I.C.E. 1 - 13mm. I used the Predator exclusively for a year and found my game to actually grow inconsistent and in some ways worse.
The McDermott just "feels" better and the CB goes where I expect it to go with the kind of movement that I'm looking for. Can I describe "feel"...NO.
But "feel" is there for me and that's all that matters.

You might be hard pressed to find one in stock. They're back ordered and I think the stores are hesitant in ordering them until it can be determined whether they'll sell or not. They don't want to get stuck with the expenditure if they'll just sit there and rot. If they have one, I'm sure they'll let you hit it unchalked.
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I just checked out the I.C.E. 1 though I didn't hit with it. I noticed there's a ring right at the taper line and it appears to be two seperate pieces of wood. The guy who owns it uses it for breaking and swears by it. The store says they might be getting the I.C.E. 3's in. When that happens, I'll shoot around with it and draw a conclusion.


Jude M. Rosenstock
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Jude Rosenstock said:
I just checked out the I.C.E. 1 though I didn't hit with it. I noticed there's a ring right at the taper line and it appears to be two seperate pieces of wood. The guy who owns it uses it for breaking and swears by it. The store says they might be getting the I.C.E. 3's in. When that happens, I'll shoot around with it and draw a conclusion.


Jude M. Rosenstock
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I talked with someone at McDermott over the phone, and he said that it was a regular shaft which was bored out and the graphite cylinder (and whatever else) was inserted up inside of it. It isn't laminated or two piece or anything else according to him. I scoured my shaft closely and saw nothing of what you mentioned. Didn't they have any 2's in stock?
 
drivermaker said:
I talked with someone at McDermott over the phone, and he said that it was a regular shaft which was bored out and the graphite cylinder (and whatever else) was inserted up inside of it. It isn't laminated or two piece or anything else according to him. I scoured my shaft closely and saw nothing of what you mentioned. Didn't they have any 2's in stock?
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I looked over this shaft very closely. There's a ring right at the taper line. The wood grain is completely inconsistent above and below. This tells me it's two seperate pieces of wood glued together. Can someone tell me where I can find additional information about this shaft other than the company website?


Jude M. Rosenstock
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
...My argument is that we cannot simply listen to what every marketing team has to say about their product...
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Yes. It would be good if there was some sort of "consumer reports" for billiards products...

But there isn't, so for now I guess I need read what everyone else has to say, which is usually half positive and half negative (pick a product - any product), then buy it myself to find out for sure.

Doing this with tips is not a big expense, but experimenting with different shafts is not cheap to say the least.
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
I looked over this shaft very closely. There's a ring right at the taper line. The wood grain is completely inconsistent above and below. This tells me it's two seperate pieces of wood glued together. Can someone tell me where I can find additional information about this shaft other than the company website?
Jude M. Rosenstock
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So...yo' momma never got those cross eyes fixed for you when you were a young 'un, huh?

McDermott - 1-800-666-2283 Call direct and ask

www.poolndarts.com When you get to the Intimidator page, click onto one of the pictures of a specific joint and you'll see a cross section of the graphite and how it's constructed. (minus the wood) Were you born in Missouri?
 
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Hello to one and all.

Don't understand why some just must complain about new and better products.

One guy complains that 200 bucks is high. Man this guy should buy the equipment to build these shafts, pay the electric bills, labor, and such.
I charge design.

Someone mentioned Stroud and his new shaft design. Haven't seen them, and have only heard talk.

FACT,

McDermott's come with it, and the talk is great. Great shatfs, and great results.

McDermott's new shafts are very good. If your a serious player, and want to bring up your game, dig up that can, and make a good investment.

I been there and played with the new shafts. JAM UP. NUFF SAID.....


BY THE WAY! More about Bludworth Originals and McDermott Hand Crafted Cues, teaming up, info, to come, very soon.

blud
 
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