Mechanics question on combined English shots

[DJ14.1]

So, you think that your mechanics change enough on high inside shots that they cause you to miss? You seem to be very stuck on this one particular shot, but this makes no sense to me. Your mechanics are your mechanics...either they are shite and they affect every shot or they aren't and they aren't the reason you miss.

If your stroke, etc is changing literally because you are hitting high inside, you don't have any fundamentals and you need to tear your whole game down and learn from the ground up, quite literally from the ground up.

Good luck

They are currently shite, as you say, and affect every shot, but not in any consistent way. But they seem to be much more pronounced on the combined-English shot. It's a matter of degree, not black & white. Yes, I probably need to tear alot down. My stroke has been on the darkside for years.

 

[DJ14.1]

That's the biggest problem with being a feel player, when something goes wrong, you don't know where to start.

I was in the same place you are 13 years ago. I've spent those 13 years developing into a deliberate player...

It makes a huge difference. Not in skill level (for those who were capable of top level feel based play, most aren't and will never be), but definitely in relation to consistency and competition and understanding what you're doing when you start screwing up...

Jaden

I may very well need to head in this deliberate direction also. But considering I haven't even tried to work it out with an instructor with a good eye yet, maybe not. I do multiple things wrong that I can spot myself on video, pulling off a shot, loopy stroke. The damn cue has a mind of it's own, like that car that's gonna cost Sheryl a fortune at the dealership in that commercial ....well it's my arm, not the cue.

 

[ENGLISH!]

The reason I say it's mechanics is that I used to be player that would miss 2-3 shots per hour, so pretty strong. Now I'll miss 2-3 shots in 15 minutes. Everything about my "feel" is off and I've always been a feel player. Never used systems, never put much value in different equipment.

I know all the concepts in play and would make these shots in my sleep with regularity. I drew attention to the high-inside shot with speed because it seems to most pronounce my cueing errors relative to my errors on other shots which are also considerable currently. So I was mainly asking if there can be any insight drawn from that. The question in my original post was very specific.

Yes I need a swing coach to get back on track. Yes I don't currently practice enough to justify it, but I may again someday. I'll watch with a patient eye til the money comes back to pool....if I'm not dead by then Until then, I just posted it as a casual question to see what people know out there. Maybe a point or two you guys make will hit home the next time I watch myself on video.

Thanks again for all the feedback

I ruptured a disc in my back about 6 years ago. I've added a couple of inches to my waist. I started missing some shots that I just should not. I then noticed that they seemed to be more prevalent in one direction than the other.

After posting about it here, I was contacted by Gene Albreght & we discovered that I am not right eye dominant 'for pool' but I am instead now left eye dominant 'for pool'. Gene says that what we use to see correctly when younger or when playing a lot can go off with age or even if we just do not play as frequently as we once did. Gene has devised some manual methods to 'make sure' that we are seeing a straight line as straight & not an angled line as straight. His DVD is called Perfect Aim, though it is not really an aiming method. I would suggest it to everyone, if only to confirm that they are seeing properly.

I started playing one pocket & hence started hitting more shots softly with no english on those long ones from the head rail. I noticed that I was putting a bit of unintentional right hand english on the ball. I had my wife check my arm alignment & found that it had drifted to being angled in a bit toward my body. I thought I found the problem & seemed to fix the unintended right, but it returned rather quickly.

To make this already long story a bit shorter. I am very sure that it came down to how I was connected to the cue since I had changed that when experimenting with what CJ Wiley was advocating.

Anyway, how we connect to the cue should dictate how we stroke & if we are consciously trying to stroke a certain way & the connection to the cue is not conducive for that, I think issues will be inevitable. The two must fit well. That said, when a change is made an associated change almost always needs to be made with it. Rarely is a fix ever just one change.

Just some food for though for you.

I hope you find your issue & the solution(s).

 

[DJ14.1]

...and shoot it about 200 times a day until you know what to do unconsciously. You have to create a muscle memory so you see the shot and know how it will play. Over analyzing things and becoming physics majors only complicates things.

While this may be true, I have serious concerns about introducing a 2nd problem in order to mask the 1st if I try to go this route. Sure I'll make the specific shot, but I'll introduce more issues into a stroke that has enough already. Gotta get it at the root lol

 

[DJ14.1]

I ruptured a disc in my back about 6 years ago. I've added a couple of inches to my waist. I started missing some shots that I just should not. I then noticed that they seemed to be more prevalent in one direction than the other.

After posting about it here, I was contacted by Gene Albreght & we discovered that I am not right eye dominant 'for pool' but I am instead now left eye dominant 'for pool'. Gene says that what we use to see correctly when younger or when playing a lot can go off with age or even if we just do not play as frequently as we once did. Gene has devised some manual methods to 'make sure' that we are seeing a straight line as straight & not an angled line as straight. His DVD is called Perfect Aim, though it is not really an aiming method. I would suggest it to everyone, if only to confirm that they are seeing properly.

I started playing one pocket & hence started hitting more shots softly with no english on those long ones from the head rail. I noticed that I was putting a bit of unintentional right hand english on the ball. I had my wife check my arm alignment & found that it had drifted to being angled in a bit toward my body. I thought I found the problem & seemed to fix the unintended right, but it returned rather quickly.

To make this already long story a bit shorter. I am very sure that it came down to how I was connected to the cue since I had changed that when experimenting with what CJ Wiley was advocating.

Anyway, how we connect to the cue should dictate how we stroke & if we are consciously trying to stroke a certain way & the connection to the cue is not conducive for that, I think issues will be inevitable. The two must fit well. That said, when a change is made an associated change almost always needs to be made with it. Rarely is a fix ever just one change.

Just some food for though for you.

I hope you find your issue & the solution(s).

As far as results go, I do think I miss my aim point to the right significantly more often than I miss it to the left. But for me, there's enough going haywire that I think it's more than that. I'm a left-handed shooter.

 

[ENGLISH!]

As far as results go, I do think I miss my aim point to the right significantly more often than I miss it to the left. But for me, there's enough going haywire that I think it's more than that. I'm a left-handed shooter.

The point & close one eye test does not work for pool where the line is below one's sight line & not straight out of one's eyes. There is a method to check to see if one is seeing the straight line as straight for pool. There is a you tube on it to which I think Pidge can direct you. I'd start there.

Good Luck.

 

[Runner]

Most of the responses so far are referring to compensation and in some way relate to aim point, which though correct, doesn't apply to my problem. My problem is mechanical and I'm trying to understand what may be causing me to miss my aim point on such shots. I know where to deliver the ball, but I'm not executing properly. My bad mechanics that have crept in over the years affect me on other shots also, but far and away most frequently on these high-inside shots with speed.

My two cents... make sure your back forearm and hand are straight up and down.. you might be 'curling' the cue as you shoot... and STAY DOWN. Jumping up on a shot is a killer. So is 'steering' or swiping at the cue ball. And a LEVEL stroke... if you're shooting at a slight downward angle, you're creating some 'squirt'.

Hal Mix, a great old-school pool coach, showed me something on high-inside shots..
line up your shot with the amount of high-inside you want to apply to the CB... then point your cue at the CONTACT POINT on the object ball. This works for medium to harder stroke shots, where you need to run the CB up table.

Again, my two cents!:smile: