Mental vs. Physical

ball in hand vs two shot foul------physical vs mental

I guess I’m one of those guys so I’ll try to speak for a generation of players. The shift in focus from shot making to safety play in the 70’s left a lot of players behind. We learned to play the game when a bad shot and a lucky leave wouldn’t win the game for you. Ball-In-Hand (BIH) was introduced with the intention of making the game more ‘watch-able’ for television. It was assumed that a ball in hand would cause the end the game and create more turnover of games; thereby providing a viewer more scoring action, more predictable format to fit more neatly into a time slot and favoring the weaker player by allowing him a way to achieve ball in hand (remember it is a presumed win). There is a much more in depth understanding of the nuances of the BIH game now than when it was developed for TV (hindsight is 20/20). I think the developers thought the better players would just continue to run out and the weaker players could use this somewhat distasteful device to even out the game. The mindset of avoiding low percentage shots for pre-strategized safeties under the current rule-set is quite different from the mindset of a dyed-in-the-wool Two-Shot Foul (TSF) 9-ball player of the early 70’s. He had a completely different skill set replete with a repertoire of difficult shots that he could perform with relative reliability. He played his opponent as much as the table in that if you couldn’t bank long rail then you were very likely to see a lot of opportunities to shoot those (or cut them down the rail). 9-Ball was actually more of a control game in those days than because the better player (albeit by different standards) could seize control of the game, maintain and regain control more easily. With shot making as the standard a different style of player naturally evolved.
NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET. If the rule-set were to change back today, we would likely see a large new group of top players emerge and those rotating out would carry a little resentment baggage with them as well. Many that were unable to adapt lost interest in the game.

Hello Joey - the ball-in-hand occurred after you fouled the second time. If you missed the second (passed by your opponent) shot then it was your opponent's turn to shoot. I think you're pulling on our collective leg.

The conundrum between the percentage of physical/mental is probably best described this way. If you begin at nothing on a pursuit of excellence then in the early going, advancement is easy but as you near your level of capability advancement is more difficult and/or expensive. There will always be a balance required between the physical/mental but it will be somewhat different for each player depending on the individuals level of accomplishment.

just my opinion...you be the judge.

Andy Bruce
 
HittMan said:
I guess I’m one of those guys so I’ll try to speak for a generation of players. The shift in focus from shot making to safety play in the 70’s left a lot of players behind. We learned to play the game when a bad shot and a lucky leave wouldn’t win the game for you. Ball-In-Hand (BIH) was introduced with the intention of making the game more ‘watch-able’ for television. It was assumed that a ball in hand would cause the end the game and create more turnover of games; thereby providing a viewer more scoring action, more predictable format to fit more neatly into a time slot and favoring the weaker player by allowing him a way to achieve ball in hand (remember it is a presumed win). There is a much more in depth understanding of the nuances of the BIH game now than when it was developed for TV (hindsight is 20/20). I think the developers thought the better players would just continue to run out and the weaker players could use this somewhat distasteful device to even out the game. The mindset of avoiding low percentage shots for pre-strategized safeties under the current rule-set is quite different from the mindset of a dyed-in-the-wool Two-Shot Foul (TSF) 9-ball player of the early 70’s. He had a completely different skill set replete with a repertoire of difficult shots that he could perform with relative reliability. He played his opponent as much as the table in that if you couldn’t bank long rail then you were very likely to see a lot of opportunities to shoot those (or cut them down the rail). 9-Ball was actually more of a control game in those days than because the better player (albeit by different standards) could seize control of the game, maintain and regain control more easily. With shot making as the standard a different style of player naturally evolved.
NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET. If the rule-set were to change back today, we would likely see a large new group of top players emerge and those rotating out would carry a little resentment baggage with them as well. Many that were unable to adapt lost interest in the game.

Hello Joey - the ball-in-hand occurred after you fouled the second time. If you missed the second (passed by your opponent) shot then it was your opponent's turn to shoot. I think you're pulling on our collective leg.

The conundrum between the percentage of physical/mental is probably best described this way. If you begin at nothing on a pursuit of excellence then in the early going, advancement is easy but as you near your level of capability advancement is more difficult and/or expensive. There will always be a balance required between the physical/mental but it will be somewhat different for each player depending on the individuals level of accomplishment.

just my opinion...you be the judge.
Andy Bruce

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Andy, long time no hear from you. Hope things are going well for you. Are you still building cues?

If you have the chance, come play in our tournament April 14, 2007 . It is a one dayer. If you want a brochure let me know. Buffalo Billiards 504-279-2137. Let me know if you are coming a little earlier and I will set aside some time to resume our one pocket match.
JoeyA
 
Jude Rosenstock said:
Pool is 90% mental and half physical. Wait, or is it the other way around? Yeah, I think it's 90% physical and half mental. Yeah, that sounds right.
I think Mark Twain once said "pool is 90% mental...and the other half is all in your head"
 
HittMan said:
I guess I’m one of those guys so I’ll try to speak for a generation of players. The shift in focus from shot making to safety play in the 70’s left a lot of players behind. We learned to play the game when a bad shot and a lucky leave wouldn’t win the game for you. Ball-In-Hand (BIH) was introduced with the intention of making the game more ‘watch-able’ for television. It was assumed that a ball in hand would cause the end the game and create more turnover of games; thereby providing a viewer more scoring action, more predictable format to fit more neatly into a time slot and favoring the weaker player by allowing him a way to achieve ball in hand (remember it is a presumed win). There is a much more in depth understanding of the nuances of the BIH game now than when it was developed for TV (hindsight is 20/20). I think the developers thought the better players would just continue to run out and the weaker players could use this somewhat distasteful device to even out the game. The mindset of avoiding low percentage shots for pre-strategized safeties under the current rule-set is quite different from the mindset of a dyed-in-the-wool Two-Shot Foul (TSF) 9-ball player of the early 70’s. He had a completely different skill set replete with a repertoire of difficult shots that he could perform with relative reliability. He played his opponent as much as the table in that if you couldn’t bank long rail then you were very likely to see a lot of opportunities to shoot those (or cut them down the rail). 9-Ball was actually more of a control game in those days than because the better player (albeit by different standards) could seize control of the game, maintain and regain control more easily. With shot making as the standard a different style of player naturally evolved.
NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET. If the rule-set were to change back today, we would likely see a large new group of top players emerge and those rotating out would carry a little resentment baggage with them as well. Many that were unable to adapt lost interest in the game.

Hello Joey - the ball-in-hand occurred after you fouled the second time. If you missed the second (passed by your opponent) shot then it was your opponent's turn to shoot. I think you're pulling on our collective leg.

The conundrum between the percentage of physical/mental is probably best described this way. If you begin at nothing on a pursuit of excellence then in the early going, advancement is easy but as you near your level of capability advancement is more difficult and/or expensive. There will always be a balance required between the physical/mental but it will be somewhat different for each player depending on the individuals level of accomplishment.

just my opinion...you be the judge.

Andy Bruce
Andy, that was a great explanation. You're right people became shot makers by playing that game. They could push for a really tough cut as opposed to a tough bank and vise versa. It's amazing when I try to explain that the shot they just took was an golden opportunity to play a leave they just look at me like "Why in the world would you do that".
 
For some good reads on the mental game get your hands on "Pleasures of Small Motions" by Bob Francher and for the mental game in sports as a whole (though this book focuses on gold) read "Zen Gold" but apply it to Pool; these books will help any player who hasn't brought much focus to their mental games yet immensely.
 
thrasher789 said:
For some good reads on the mental game get your hands on "Pleasures of Small Motions" by Bob Francher and for the mental game in sports as a whole (though this book focuses on gold) read "Zen Gold" but apply it to Pool; these books will help any player who hasn't brought much focus to their mental games yet immensely.

You are the only one so far (it seems) who has posted about the 'mental game' that I was thinking about. Usually when people talk about the mental game they are not talking about the planning of a runout and strategy, but rather keeping focus and concentration and being able to execute your game under pressure. I think this is what makes the biggest difference between players at the highest level.
 
I agree, by doing the exercises and concepts in those book I've improved my game alot, proper focus and concentration (and understanding exactly what these entail) is crucial to high level pool and makes an absolutely huge difference. A huge focus on the visual/spacial aspects of your thinking instead of verbal will improve your game incredibly also and Bob Francher's book not only tells you about it; it gives evidence and ways to quickly and accurately improve.
 
Safties & Ball in hand

What is the general consensus on the rule change?
 

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buzzsaw said:
I've been trying to convince a couple of friends to come out of retirement and play in a local VNEA pool league. Both of them played during a time when defense was considered "cheating". They are/were both very strong shot makers (e.g. taking risks on very low percentage shots). I've tried to explain to them that, by today's standards, the mental aspect of the game is just as, if not more, important as making "circus" shots.

IMO you can be very good physically, mentally or both. Someone that makes miraculous shots but won't play a leave when they are in trouble won't win as many games as the less capable shooter that knows how to play the percentages. Of course, at some point you still have to be able to make the necessary shots no matter what your skill level.

What are your thoughts?

Do they watch basketball? Ask them if it is "dirty pool" for the defensive team, for example, to block a shot. Or ask them how exciting the game would be if the defense never put their hands above their shoulders. Who would play; who would watch?

Another way to convince them is to set up a simple safety and ask them to successfully shoot it. One where they have to get the cb hiding behind one other ball--or else! Then help them realize that safety play is usually MUCH harder than potting a ball and therefore deserves respect, not distain.

Those should do the trick.

Jeff Livingston
 
chefjeff said:
Do they watch basketball? Ask them if it is "dirty pool" for the defensive team, for example, to block a shot. Or ask them how exciting the game would be if the defense never put their hands above their shoulders. Who would play; who would watch?

Another way to convince them is to set up a simple safety and ask them to successfully shoot it. One where they have to get the cb hiding behind one other ball--or else! Then help them realize that safety play is usually MUCH harder than potting a ball and therefore deserves respect, not distain.

Those should do the trick.

Jeff Livingston
thrasher, thanks for the reference, I'll definitely check those out.

I think it really comes down to more than just having a sound all around game. A lot of it has to do with feeding their ego. Have you ever watched a person, who thought they could play, make a really tough shot? The first thing they do is look around to see if someone was watching. The last thing on their mind is the game. These guys grew up during a period when you got your name by making outs not playing safe.
 
Around here there has been a slow transition from "bar rules" tournaments to BCA rules tournaments. As players are exposed to BCA rules and learn them, they begin to prefer these rules.

No more "sneaky" safeties, they can now do this out in the open. They like this.

So far as learning to play safeties, I sometimes play an exceptional amount of safeties for one or two games when playing friends. I do this to demonstrate what I have seen done (to me) elsewhere. They quickly "see the light" and learn the value of these safeties. Especially when I win by doing this. It is not long before they are returning the favor!

I learned various safeties by playing with some very good players and here of course. I would be about to attempt to make a low percentage shot, then the very good player would say "STOP! What are you doing? Try this safety instead..." Then I would remember this forever.

So just show them. They will learn quickly.
 
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