When you get a few made send me one to try out if you like, I have a lathe so it will be installed properly and a 9 footer to try it out on. I have made a few myself by soaking overnight in milk and pressing flat in a vice, some of my team mates swear by them but I'm not sold on the ones I made. The Jensen milk duds Yally sold didn't look anything like the ones I made from Elkmasters, maybe he uses a ball bearing to press with. I think his tips looked like a bowl when pressed or maybe it was Yallys photography but alot of people love them for sure.--Leonard