Your estimation is based on a handful of CTE users that post to AZB. I'm sure Stan can give you a better idea how many people use CTE, as he interacts directly with many of them. CTE is also not a widely recognized system, so it would be acceptable to think there are not a lot of CTE users in comparison to the total number of pool players out there. That is changing all the time.
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Your estimation is based on a handful of CTE users that post to AZB. I'm sure Stan can give you a better idea how many people use CTE, as he interacts directly with many of them. CTE is also not a widely recognized system, so it would be acceptable to think there are not a lot of CTE users in comparison to the total number of pool players out there. That is changing all the time.
That would be a joke. Stan believes his system is taking over the world -- it can't be stopped -- and that every DVD sold constitutes another believer, a convert, someone who actually understood it and is using it.
People buy instructional stuff all the time. They take what they can use and discard and/or forget the rest and the DVD or book becomes a dust collector.
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Like I said, you dont actually no what your talking about.
Blind Faith...there's your problem.
The system started out manually.
Cte ..pro1 90/90 were supposed to be very much a like.
Are they still?
So break it down. What part specifically do I not know? What have I said that has been incorrect? Lets get specific. Blind faith, meaning it is different and you have to put in the effort to see it. Like riding a bike, or obtaining a true stroke. I keep using those analogies but you choose to ignore and repeat. What do you mean by started out manually? It is still manual, although you can skip the pivot if you prefer with the Pro One method. That has been there since day one. Yes 90/90 is a similar system of perceptions.
From they way he treats people who question him, you would think he supports a headache everyday do to his system.
Taking over the world...that's as funny as saying most pro's are using pro1 and dont no it.
Let just attach everything positive to it when in truth none of them can explain why.
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I don't know about take over the world, but the user base is definitely growing. Four years ago no one in my neck of the woods had ever hear of pivot aiming. Now the majority of pool players I approach has either at least heard of it, or tried it out themselves. That is because there are now several players in the league system that use it, and it is brought up quite often.
It is my observation that most established pool players are set in their ways. They don't need another method to do what they already do to their own satisfaction. There will only be a handful willing to try something new. It is the young and upcoming players that have an open mind and willing to try different things, and I think this is where most of the users will come from. It will take an entire generation of players to become more visible in the mainstream.
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It would be impossible to explain anything of real meaning with you and a few of your buddies, Logic has left the building, your meaning objective is evidently different then most and its true meaning.
You guy's say you have a center pocket system and from what it sounds, rock solid instructions to achieve that goal, but yet, none of you cant explain why. That's odd.
Stan Talk's, you guy's follow his lead, but yet he cant explain why it works. Odd again.
How many years has he spent on it?? He Knows so much about it, but the truth of why has never surfaced. What gives you, Stan and others any right to question anyone who see's things different.
Can you explain why it works? Like I said, you don't what your talking about and the people you guy's get red ass on don't take blind Faith to the table,
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I didn't John, I did say "There will only be a handful willing to try something new." That is you
Have a good one.
Can you explain why it works? Like I said, you don't what your talking about and the people you guy's get red ass on don't take blind Faith to the table,
I can't explain why gravity works, I'm not a physics PhD, but I it sure is easy to demonstrate. I don't know exactly how the human body and mind can balance a bike, I'm not a neurochemistry professor, but it's pretty obvious that can be demonstrated. I can't say specifically why our perceptions work exactly the way they do at a pool table, I'm not a scholar in the study of human physiology. But it can be demonstrated, consistently and repeatedly. The steps are there, they are teachable, and are completely verifiable at the table. I don't understand why you need to throw the system under the bus because the WHY is not readily in words for you, yet the HOW is easy to observe. No one is going to be shooting balls under curtains with any level of success by guessing. Have you even tried it? It is HARD to do!
I knew I should have left this thread when I said I would.
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Translation: "I lied about there being hundreds of unhappy customers and can't find enough to matter."
If there were magic unicorn horn cues for sale there would be some unhappy customers. Some people probably THOUGHT that CTE is a magic system and when they got the DVD and realized that there would be table time and work involved they likely threw up their hands and wanted their money back. Wouldn't be the first time that ever happened.
I seem to remember when you even attacked Stan's wife calling her a liar when she reported the number of DVDs sold. In your mind there were two hundred DVDs sold and two hundred unhappy customers. In reality more than a thousand DVDs have been sold - a portion of those through CueSight.com and very few have been unhappy.
You are right in one thing, there are surely those who get it, don't use the method and forget it. That doesn't mean they are not happy with it it just means they don't use CTE, probably because they don't want to put the work in, just like you.
But at the end of the day Stan has thousands of happy students around the world. I get people who ask me to show them CTE constantly as I am sure Dave Segal and Mohrt and Gerry Williams and Duke Laha and Dave Stem and other CTE users do as well. Person by Person we introduce more and more people to CTE and your negative attitude can't stop it.
So it doesn't matter how much you lie on AZB about CTE, about Stan, about the DVD, or about any of us. It doesn't matter how much you lie about your self such as in your story about going to House of Billiards and no one being willing to play you. You don't influence anyone except maybe a tiny amount of people on AZB while Stan and the rest of us are talking to people worldwide on a much larger scale.
That's what the thread is about. I am not speaking to you, I am speaking to my fellow students and our teachers, Hal Houle and Stan Shuffett and all other instructors who teach CTE.
We already won and we continue to dominate. Every video we make only adds to the body of knowledge for all players to enjoy and use to improve their pool playing.
It would be impossible to explain anything of real meaning with you and a few of your buddies, Logic has left the building, your meaning objective is evidently different then most and its true meaning.
You guy's say you have a center pocket system and from what it sounds, rock solid instructions to achieve that goal, but yet, none of you cant explain why. That's odd.
Stan Talk's, you guy's follow his lead, but yet he cant explain why it works. Odd again.
How many years has he spent on it?? He Knows so much about it, but the truth of why has never surfaced. What gives you, Stan and others any right to question anyone who see's things different.
Can you explain why it works? Like I said, you don't what your talking about and the people you guy's get red ass on don't take blind Faith to the table,
Then why don't you show us the alternative?
Let's assume for the sake of argument that you are right and the perceptions have a "fudge factor" built in. That we are all really make tiny adjustments as we are sighting without knowing it. WHO CARES IF THE RESULTS ARE IMPROVED SHOTMAKING?
I mean you take a guy that shoots at a certain level and by virtue of doing a set of steps he gains a level or two in skill and this is a problem? His shot making consistency improves, his confidence goes up and he starts winning more. This is a problem?
You do things every single day that you just take on faith because you have no clue how they work or why. You just do them because they work and make your life easier.
I think I know why CTE works and have diagrammed it on here several times. I don't know if I am right but whether I am or not doesn't even matter because the results ON THE TABLE are there.
It isn't a matter of blindly following Stan or anyone else.
Why?
Because the whole thing comes down to what happens ON THE TABLE.
We take it to the table and work through it and if we see positive results we keep it and if we don't we drop it. The table doesn't lie, the balls don't lie the results don't lie.
You post videos of yourself running racks, making lots of great shots. You have implied that you use some sort of aiming system in the past yet you won't disclose it. My takeaway from your videos is that I know you play well BECAUSE I can see the balls going in CONSISTENTLY.
If you told me that you twirl around three times and whack it on each shot I would try it because I want your results. I would take you at your word not having any reason to not believe you. Then I would pretty quickly see that the twirl & whack method doesn't work for me and I would give it up. That's the essence of the whole thing.
With a broader base of users we get more data on whether or not it's actually working. That's why ALL OF YOU SHOULD STOP TRYING TO TEAR PEOPLE DOWN AND WHY YOU SHOULD BE ENCOURAGING EVERYONE TO TRY EVERYTHING. That's how we separate the wheat from the chaff in this segment of pool playing. If you want to know WHY something works then take it apart and help everyone to understand it.
Instead you prefer to snipe from the literal shadows. Stan makes instructional videos to explain a method as best he can with the language he has. You do nothing to further anyone's pool playing and seem only interested in your own ego with your showoff videos. Try being helpful instead of being a road block and I can promise that karmically you'll feel way better.
She lost one fight. She won 12 in a row before that. She will get a rematch. And when that rematch happens she will be better prepared.
The REAL analogy here is that Ronda Rousey has done more to promote MMA and be a role model to women and girls than any other famous female in recent history due to the media coverage and reach.
Same as us with our videos on CTE.
Your words here mean nothing in the end. The sad part is that YOU Anthony Obermeir could be a force for good but you refuse to be. You are obviously a good player who studies the game but you refuse to actually help anyone. Well except for ripping off the content from old instructional tapes and posting segments to the internet. That's mildly helpful. You personally are not.
I can't explain why gravity works, I'm not a physics PhD, but I it sure is easy to demonstrate. I don't know exactly how the human body and mind can balance a bike, I'm not a neurochemistry professor, but it's pretty obvious that can be demonstrated. I can't say specifically why our perceptions work exactly the way they do at a pool table, I'm not a scholar in the study of human physiology. But it can be demonstrated, consistently and repeatedly. The steps are there, they are teachable, and are completely verifiable at the table. I don't understand why you need to throw the system under the bus because the WHY is not readily in words for you, yet the HOW is easy to observe. No one is going to be shooting balls under curtains with any level of success by guessing. Have you even tried it? It is HARD to do!
I knew I should have left this thread when I said I would.
When you have time and a camera,anythings possible.
I'm betting against anyone trying it live. Add a couple more curtains, I think we'll have a know show.:smile:
Actually, we would have a know show from all of you, live.
Lets just tag another silly thing to your way of aiming.
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You got action. I was at Stan's and challenged him with the curtain. Bring a barrelfull of money.
I will bet up to $1000 PER SHOT both on Stan and against you.
Maybe she was unprepared, I dont think she wins standing up.
I dont agree with you so its sad that Im not on the good side of the force..no.. a force for the good..lol
Please stop, my feelings are being hurt.
Not sure if Im a good player, but I do understand how things work.
Your a winner John and thanks for your input.
Maybe she was unprepared, I dont think she wins standing up.
I dont agree with you so its sad that Im not on the good side of the force..no.. a force for the good..lol
Please stop, my feelings are being hurt.
Not sure if Im a good player, but I do understand how things work.
Your a winner John and thanks for your input.
You obviously have some issues. I don't know if you're a good player either. I guess you were telling us that all your videos showing you making shots were just edited. Or you're just the best basement player in the world.
All I know is that you won't show up here and I have never seen your name winning anything. You can get played or just bet against Stan making curtain shots.
Now that you have regressed to calling him a liar. So let's see if you have any gamble to back up your mouth.
Never called him anything, just don't believe in what he teaches.
Not sure I wanna be around you, something just ain't right,
Just like your system, you make up shit an believe it.
I'm betting you away from this system bs, your probably normal. :smile:
As far as the curtain trick goes,when it hits the road ,let me know.
Will you take a check?
Aha, so the truth comes out. Now you are advocating that the videos Stan has put on youtube are a fluke? You think he took dozens of takes on every one to get the lucky sequence of shots? You don't think he would take your challenge IN PERSON? You said anyone, I'm sure if Stan had a motive and means to do a live production, he would offer it up. You realize how absurd your accusation sounds yes?
And what do you mean by "add a couple more curtains"? You realize pool is played WITHOUT curtains, and the curtain demos show that even with a partial covering of the table, there is still enough there for the perceptions to work.
Just stop. It's not my system and it works as advertised. You insinuated that the curtain videos are made up, ergo called Stan a liar.
If you want to bet enough I am sure I can get Stan to do the curtain shots in your basement. But we already know you don't bet 10cts and never get out of your house to play anyone anywhere.
Your checks, like you, are no good. Keep on ripping off content from old tapes and playing with the 1970s video effects.
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